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I currently have the 10-22mm on a 550D, but will be upgrading to a 5dmk3 at some point this year. 

My question is that I do alot of landscape shots while hiking (though without a tripod).  I know that I can't use the 10-22 on the 5d, but was wondering if the 8-15 fisheye might be a good FF replacement for the 10-22mm.  Looking over my stats in LR for the 10-22 lens, i find that over half the pictures are at 10mm and alot of the times i wish it was a little more wide.  I personally like the distortion on the 10-22mm but if it was a little stronger, I'm sure I would like it.  Hence why I started looking at the fisheye.  I figured anytime the distortion is not what I wanted, I could just apply the lens profile in LR, though I realize it will result in some cropping of the picture.

I'm just starting out in photography, but it seems that the 16-35L is an ok lens, but not an amazing lens like the fisheye or the 10-22.  Long term, I would probably get the 14-30L lens (if Canon ever decides to make one), but think in the short term i could get away with just the fisheye.  Oh, one last thing, the fisheye is $600 USD cheaper than the 16-35L in Japan, which is also a factor.

So my question is, does this logic seem sound, or is the 8-15 a really niche lens that won't really fill the gap of the 10-22 for purposes of hiking and landscape shots.
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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2012, 08:01:31 AM »
It's a brilliant lens but I am not sure landscape shots would be suitable for its niche market, after all the distortion is quite noticeable, even at 15 mm. A TS-E lens would probably be a better landscape lens, but manual focus only, more expensive and a has a steeper learning curve.

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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 08:50:09 AM »
...is the 8-15 a really niche lens that won't really fill the gap of the 10-22 for purposes of hiking and landscape shots.

I'd say it's a niche lens that won't fill the gap of the 10-22mm.  I would not buy a fisheye lens with the intent to de-fish the images - not only do you lose a fair bit of the AoV, you soften the corners pretty badly (maybe even making them worse than the 17-40mm wide open). 

The 16-35L II is a fine lens, more barrel distortion than the 10-22mm, but overall the combination of 16-35 II w/ a FF sensor will deliver better IQ than the 10-22mm w/ an APS-C sensor.  If you want wider, conside the 14mm f/2.8L. 

If cost is a big issue, I'd get the 17-40mm for landscape shots - stopped down to f/8 or narrower, it's not much different from the 16-35 II. 
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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 02:23:33 PM »
Thanks for the advice. 

Looks like i'll need to take another look at the 16-35 and 17-40.
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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2012, 04:02:20 PM »
The 8-15 is a fisheye - even at 15mm it doesn't give anything like a straight line

That said there are occasions when it gives fabulous artistic images

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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2012, 04:08:30 PM »
Even my 15mm FE on FF distorts the image a lot.  Is this what you want?  Defishing the image is not really a good way to go.  The wall is flat and the RR tie is straight BTW.
 

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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2012, 08:42:06 PM »
Thanks for the advice. 

Looks like i'll need to take another look at the 16-35 and 17-40.

Hey, I would not choose the 8-15 for the landscape shots either.  I do shoot a lot of landscape and my personal recommendation, for the price, would be the 17-40L.  Some buy the 16-35L but why?  My landscape shots are at f/8 and narrower.  However, I do own the 16-35L because I use it for other things, such as very low-light, tight room indoor shots.  With landscape photography, I was shooting with a 24 and 35 prime, but the zoom lens offers me much more convenience and flexibility.  I think if you want to only use it for outdoor landscape, 17-40L is YOUR lens.
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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2012, 01:17:57 AM »
Thanks for all the tips and advice.  After look at lens I have decided to pick up the 16-35L.  Thanks again for all the help.

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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2012, 02:08:07 AM »
Just though I'd add in an extra option, fwiw.
There are two Sigma 12-24 lenses, both work on FF, and both are probably the widest you can get of any lens on any (non-dedicated-panoramic) system. The mk1 version somehow manages to have almost no barrel distortion (well, a lot less than anything in the same focal length). The mk2 just came out last year, and is a lot sharper than the mk1, but has a lot more barrel distortion.
If you can put up with the barrelling of the 10-22, you can easily put up with the mk2 Sigma (at 12mm it's not much worse than the 17-40 at 17mm, at 17mm it's practically square). Resolution-wise for same-length-same-aperture, it's probably as good if not better than the 17-40, plus it goes a whole lot wider.
Also, it's only $100 more than the 17-40 (currently on sale for $874 at B+H). 17-40 is $780, 16-35 II is $1590.

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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2012, 02:33:58 AM »
Just though I'd add in an extra option, fwiw.
There are two Sigma 12-24 lenses, both work on FF, and both are probably the widest you can get of any lens on any (non-dedicated-panoramic) system. The mk1 version somehow manages to have almost no barrel distortion (well, a lot less than anything in the same focal length). The mk2 just came out last year, and is a lot sharper than the mk1, but has a lot more barrel distortion.
If you can put up with the barrelling of the 10-22, you can easily put up with the mk2 Sigma (at 12mm it's not much worse than the 17-40 at 17mm, at 17mm it's practically square). Resolution-wise for same-length-same-aperture, it's probably as good if not better than the 17-40, plus it goes a whole lot wider.
Also, it's only $100 more than the 17-40 (currently on sale for $874 at B+H). 17-40 is $780, 16-35 II is $1590.

Check them both out on Photozone Mk1 on 350D, mk2 on 5D2.

For really wide landscapes - try panos. Taking in portrait mode and 4 wide you can get the 3:2 ratio with about 60mps

Here is the link to one of about 15k x 4.5k - zoom in to see the detail available

This is about 48mb so will take some time to download :D

http://www.squibb.org.uk/pictures/rochester.jpg

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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 02:40:02 AM »
Just though I'd add in an extra option, fwiw.
There are two Sigma 12-24 lenses, both work on FF, and both are probably the widest you can get of any lens on any (non-dedicated-panoramic) system. The mk1 version somehow manages to have almost no barrel distortion (well, a lot less than anything in the same focal length). The mk2 just came out last year, and is a lot sharper than the mk1, but has a lot more barrel distortion.
If you can put up with the barrelling of the 10-22, you can easily put up with the mk2 Sigma (at 12mm it's not much worse than the 17-40 at 17mm, at 17mm it's practically square). Resolution-wise for same-length-same-aperture, it's probably as good if not better than the 17-40, plus it goes a whole lot wider.
Also, it's only $100 more than the 17-40 (currently on sale for $874 at B+H). 17-40 is $780, 16-35 II is $1590.

Check them both out on Photozone Mk1 on 350D, mk2 on 5D2.

For really wide landscapes - try panos. Taking in portrait mode and 4 wide you can get the 3:2 ratio with about 60mps

Here is the link to one of about 15k x 4.5k - zoom in to see the detail available

This is about 48mb so will take some time to download :D

http://www.squibb.org.uk/pictures/rochester.jpg

That reminds me, i bought a Nodal Ninja off ebay a month or two ago, and haven't even had a chance to play with it to even find the nodal point of my Samyang 35. I've done some horizontal Panos before, i even bought the Arca Swiss Monoball P0 for sweeping panos, so trying a full 360 is my next big task to play with.
And i just got the Sigma 8-16, i'll have to compare that to stitching a pano as well one day...
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Re: Is the 8-15 fisheye on FF a good replacement for the 10-22 on a crop
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 02:40:02 AM »