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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2012, 12:34:55 PM »

im not sure if "pocketable" is a concern for canon when it comes to the new mirrorless camera.
APS-C is not the way to go then. the body can be small but as you see on NEX.. the lenses are not.

they will sure try to make it smaller then the SX1... but i would not be suprised when it resembles a bridge/DSLR look.

The only M4/3 camera that I'd buy is the Olympus OM-D E-M5, it's 4.8 inch (W) x 3.5 inch (H) x 1.7 inch (D) and weighs 15 Oz with battery and memory card. Not what I'd call a small pocketable camera. Add to that a lens length of 1.7" to 2.9" (12mm f/2.0 and 75mm f/1.8 ) and they won't even fit in the pocket of Cargo Shorts :) My Sony NEX 5n (APS-C) isn't really pocketable, even with the 16mm f/2.8 pancake lens.

If I need a pocketable camera, I use my iPod Touch 4G :)

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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2012, 12:34:55 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2012, 12:51:00 PM »
Then no one would buy it. The "classic" looks way better.


you would not buy it.. but i really doubt you can speak for other customers. :)

you have not done a survey, right?
so you can not even say how many people would prefer a classic look.

the SX1 is no beauty.. but then i find angelina jolie not that sexy either.  :)



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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2012, 12:52:31 PM »
Then no one would buy it. The "classic" looks way better.

Who cares how they look?  You aren't taking pictures of them, you're taking pictures with them.

I hated using my AE-1 - rotten ergonomics.  Much better with an actual grip.

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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2012, 12:53:27 PM »
Retro looks with 3rd party adaptors for vintage lenses would peak my interest.
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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2012, 12:53:50 PM »
APS-C mirrorless from Canon is good news!

Because then there is still a chance for a full frame version.

I will be waiting.

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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2012, 12:56:13 PM »
i guess that´s how the canon mirrorless will look.. more or less:



no honest i think it will resemble more a DSLR then a PEN or GF or a classic camera.

Then no one would buy it. The "classic" looks way better.

maybe im different then you.
i go out shooting with my camera i don´t take pictures of my camera.

if the ergonomics are ok, if the image quality is great i would even buy a camera made by ricoh  designers. :).


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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2012, 01:17:08 PM »
APS-C mirrorless from Canon is good news!

Because then there is still a chance for a full frame version.

I will be waiting.
It will be a very LONG wait.  I doubt that Canon will do a FF mirrorless system (Body and lenses) within 10 years.

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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2012, 01:17:08 PM »

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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2012, 01:17:23 PM »
Yes. Atleast APS-C!!! Now just package a good 50mm 1.8 Equivalent and im good to go.

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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2012, 01:23:40 PM »
As I've previously (and repeatedly) observed, Canon's mirrorless will bridge (and presumably cannibalize) their high-end P&S line and the Rebel line.

If it's APS-C, it's a given that it'll take EF-S lenses at the least, and the Shorty McForty strongly hints that it'll take regular EF lenses as well. Considering that there won't be a mirror to get in the way and that that's the reason you can't mount EF-S lenses on EF cameras, the new mirrorless being able to mount EF lenses would almost seem to be a given.

I think the only remaining question will be if Canon introduces a new, even more compact lens series that still uses the EF physical mounts but moves even more of the optics farther back into the body. That might let them design something as pocketable as many are clamoring for -- say, a slow kit zoom not much bigger than the Shorty McForty. They might also take this opportunity to introduce in-camera IS to further save on lens size

But, again -- mirrorless will never encroach on the pro line any more than EF-S has. And if the new mirrorless comes introduced with a new lens that can't be mounted on EF-S, then it's guaranteed that there'll never be a Canon mirrorless with any size sensor other than APS-C.

I think the Canon lineup will eventually look mostly something like this:

PowerShot - Pocketable P&S, many many models, no significant change from today
Mirrorless - Replaces G-series PowerShots and all Rebels, 3 - 5 models total
??D - APS-C DSLR, one model, replacing both the 60D and 7D
5D - Full-frame DSLR w/o integrated grip, one model
1D - Flagship model
...plus whatever pro video stuff they do like the 1DC

The interesting questions will be whether they add an entry-level full-frame camera (I'm guessing they won't) and what their insane megapickle camera will be (I'm guessing a 1 series something-or-other that puts the D800 to shame but also costs at least half again as much).

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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2012, 01:28:43 PM »
I am sure that the Canon Mirrorless will have it own mount (due to thinner body) with adapter for EF/EF-S lenses. Then the third part manufacturers will come up with adapters for virtually all the 'Classic lenses".

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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2012, 01:38:13 PM »
Then no one would buy it. The "classic" looks way better.


you would not buy it.. but i really doubt you can speak for other customers. :)

you have not done a survey, right?
so you can not even say how many people would prefer a classic look.


the SX1 is no beauty.. but then i find angelina jolie not that sexy either.  :)

We can make quick survey to see how CRs members respond to body design  :) Classic Vs XS1 style
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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2012, 01:39:04 PM »
Then no one would buy it. The "classic" looks way better.


you would not buy it.. but i really doubt you can speak for other customers. :)

you have not done a survey, right?
so you can not even say how many people would prefer a classic look.


the SX1 is no beauty.. but then i find angelina jolie not that sexy either.  :)

We can make quick survey to see how CRs members respond to body design  :) Classic Vs XS1 style

Classic Styling anyday.

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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2012, 01:41:09 PM »

Mirrorless - Replaces G-series PowerShots and all Rebels, 3 - 5 models total


I doubt that will be happening soon. Not until there is a huge breakthrough in EVF technology (in both performance and cost). The optical view finder on the Rebel beats any existing EVF anytime.

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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2012, 01:45:15 PM »

Someone help me out here :)  I can't see what's wrong with the current (and possibly future) lineup of SLRs and P&S cameras.

Thanks

There are some of us who think that DSLR bodies have grown too large. We don't want to lug around a 2.5 lb Pro Body DSLR or a 2+ lb DSLR.  My 16.2Mp Sony NEX 5n (APS-C, 1.5 crop) weighs 7.4 Oz. A 24Mp NEX 7 (APS-C, 1.5 crop) weighs 9.3 Oz. Are you starting to get the picture ??? Small light weight cameras that produce high quality files are what we want. The Sony NEX and Olympus OM-D E-M5 (15 Oz) are what many photographers want/need. These cameras may look like toys to you, but they are producing magazine covers and advertising photos. Hopefully the upcoming Canon Mirrorless with be good enough to join the party.

BTW there will be no future P&S cameras, they will be replaced by smart phones :)

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Re: Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2012, 01:49:31 PM »
Ergonomic is more important than the style. Out of ALL the existing mirrorless, Leica M9 got the best ergonomics. I doubt that canon will put  a Leica style and function view finder on its mirrorless.

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