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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2010, 02:40:08 PM »
Guys, never heard of the Sigma 8-16? It has an amazing angle of 118 (the widest FF is the Sigma 12-24 with an angle of 122) and this 8-16 is sharp according the reviews.

So no need for a FF if you want to go wide. If you want the better IQ, ok go for FF, but if you just want to go wide, buy the ..... You get my point.
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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2010, 02:40:08 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2010, 04:16:19 PM »
That's true ^ but I've never personally had good luck w/ or been impressed w/ Sigma lenses.  I'm sure it depends on the copy you get, the quality level you buy, etc etc (and to be fair, I have not used their pro lenses, but I've tried midrange zooms and their 100 ish macro)...but it's just a personal thing.  I'm sure others have had awesome luck/results with them.  Personally, I have always had better luck w/ Tamron or Canon.

Either way, I'm not much of a wide angle guy anyway, like I said.  Even on a crop frame, I would be ok w/ a 16-50 if they ever made that (or even w/ the 16-35 or the 17-40).

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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2010, 05:18:59 PM »
Even on a crop frame, I would be ok w/ a 16-50 if they ever made that.
If you are fine with (pretty little) ca in the (very) wide end, go for a tokina 16-50 f2.8. From 18mm on, IQ is very nice and from my point of view the nearest competitor to the ef-s 17-55 f2.8 - and the price difference is about 500$...

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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2010, 08:00:28 PM »
Even on a crop frame, I would be ok w/ a 16-50 if they ever made that.
If you are fine with (pretty little) ca in the (very) wide end, go for a tokina 16-50 f2.8. From 18mm on, IQ is very nice and from my point of view the nearest competitor to the ef-s 17-55 f2.8 - and the price difference is about 500$...
Sounds interesting.  Will it work on a FF camera? 

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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2010, 02:37:38 AM »
Even on a crop frame, I would be ok w/ a 16-50 if they ever made that.
If you are fine with (pretty little) ca in the (very) wide end, go for a tokina 16-50 f2.8. From 18mm on, IQ is very nice and from my point of view the nearest competitor to the ef-s 17-55 f2.8 - and the price difference is about 500$...
Sounds interesting.  Will it work on a FF camera?
Nope. EF-S-Mount (same as the canon).

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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2010, 03:40:44 PM »
I nearly got the 5DII, but found out about the AF on it and so I bought a 70-200 2.8 IS instead.

What AF issue on the 5dII are you alluding to please?
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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2010, 04:48:34 PM »
I nearly got the 5DII, but found out about the AF on it and so I bought a 70-200 2.8 IS instead.

What AF issue on the 5dII are you alluding to please?
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The pixel peepers saw that it did not get changed or upgraded so they concluded that they could not take sharp photos with that camera. If you're not a pixel peeper and know how to use a camera, you should be fine.

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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2010, 04:48:34 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2010, 05:52:26 AM »
I nearly got the 5DII, but found out about the AF on it and so I bought a 70-200 2.8 IS instead.

What AF issue on the 5dII are you alluding to please?
thanks,
Brad.
I happened to come across this on Vincent LaForet's new "My Gear" section - the cameras article found here.  Quote:
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Lastly - the autofocus system (for still photographers) is the same system that was found in the original 5D - therefore it is close to 5 years old relative to newer systems.
Now, that's not an explicit criticism, however, implicitly you can read that compared to newer designs it's a bit outclassed.  The 5D Mark II has "9 AF points, one cross type, with six AF assist points" (according to Canon's website).  Compare this to the 1D Mark IV, which has 45 points; the 5D's spec is similar to the T1i / T2i which both have 9 AF points with one being cross type.  60D also has 9 points with the middle being an "extra sensitive" cross type in the middle.

So how does that translate into missed shots?  Your guess is as good as mine...I'm sure one can find anecdotes either way.  But I hope that at least gives context for why people will be claiming that on paper the camera is no good...heh.

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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2010, 11:57:52 PM »
I nearly got the 5DII, but found out about the AF on it and so I bought a 70-200 2.8 IS instead.

What AF issue on the 5dII are you alluding to please?
thanks,
Brad.

The pixel peepers saw that it did not get changed or upgraded so they concluded that they could not take sharp photos with that camera. If you're not a pixel peeper and know how to use a camera, you should be fine.

Well, I am a pixel peeper and I need to be because I get paid for some of the work I do.  Micro stock sites won't accept soft images, and my portrait clients aren't crazy about it either.  But that is a pretty narrow explanation and not nearly the whole reason.

It is true that the 5dii is pretty much the same AF as the 5D, and the 5d's is nearly the same as my 20D, and like I said before (can't remember in this post or another) but I only like to upgrade if a camera (or lens) solves a problem I've bumped up against, not just because something is the newest best version, or because I think it's "nifty".

So what was wrong w/ the 5D AF?  Well, I would personally like something faster.  I photograph a lot of kids and the way I photograph them is to let them run around and do their thing.  While I am able to get sharp photos, at times I know that I have also missed a few because I did not have an AF system that could track faster or more accurately.  Obviously, you don't need it all the time, but if it would help me out, then I should wait for it, right?  Others I know who shoot landscape, studio stuff (product or portrait), and adult portraits rarely have a problem with it as they rely a lot more on the center AF point and have time to recompose.  Kids are just a bit quicker ;)

Also, the outside AF points are not as accurate.  I experience this w/ my 20D, I've experienced it w/ the 5D, and I've heard reports of it w/ the 5DII from multiple people (and photographers I trust, not just some random forum people).  If a kid is moving it is really hard to focus with the center point and then recompose (if you want the kid to the side of the frame for instance) and get a crisp shot.  Even if you are not a pixel peeper you can get shots that would not be acceptable for prints.  As a portrait photographer, you need to make sure your client can print the images you give them at any size they would want.

I actually don't care too much about whether I get 15, 39, 51, or 133 AF points.  I'm quite ok w/ 9, as long as they are spaced well and all accurate.  That said, I would have liked it if the 5Dii had its af points spaced out a bit more.  It always felt cramped shooting the 5D.

So those are the AF things that I was talking about.  As I said...they aren't a deal breaker for most people, but for me (even though I really want FF) it was just not enough.  Everyone has different needs as a photographer, the trick is to figure out what your needs are and not what someone else (like me) tells you your needs are.  If you are considering a 5Dii, I would recommend either renting one, or seeing if you can borrow one from a friend.  Heck, if you know someone w/ a 5D you could try that out too.  Just see if you like it.  If you do and it works for you, then who cares what I thought of the camera ;)  Hope that helps clear up my statement :)

Edited for clarity (hopefully  ::) ) and to add this:  in hindsight, even if the 5dii's AF would have ended up being as good as a 1D series, it was still a better move for me to get the lens .  The two lenses that I got while I was waiting have made a much bigger difference in my photos than a better camera (even w/ a fast AF and FF sensor) could have ever done.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2010, 01:55:43 AM by that1guy »

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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2010, 03:01:43 PM »
Seems that a lot of people don't know this: "The AF system on the EOS 5D Mark II includes 9 visible AF points and six invisible assist points, for a total 15 points concentrated toward the center. [..] The purpose of the supplemental points is to enhance the camera’s subject tracking performance by filling in the gaps between the highly sensitive central AF point and the 8 adjacent linear sensors."

Edit: And: "[5DII] The outer points on the extreme left and right are actually located at the same positions as the corresponding points in the EOS-1Ds Mark III, giving the camera a wide field for detecting moving subjects crossing the scene or improved ability to focus on off-center subjects."
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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2010, 04:20:58 AM »
Yeah, just like the 5D: "The EOS 5D camera has a new 9-point AF unit
with six Supplemental AF points, a new AF
algorithm and new AF circuitry."
5D whitepaper here: www.usa.canon.com/uploadedimages/FCK/.../EOS_5D_WP.pdf
(unless I missed something...if so, my loss :( )

Sounds the same as the original 5D, and from the picture, it didn't look like the assist points made the AF area any wider.  That was one of the problems I had w/ the 5D.  Maybe I missunderstood the pictures, but I would like them to be wider and cover more of the view finder.  Like I said, I actually tried the 5D and it just wasn't enough for me to part w/ more money.  No big deal.  Beautiful camera, beautiful images, but not enough of an AF upgrade/solution for me.  My money (and again, just saying this was the way it was for my situation) was better spent on lenses at that time. 

Honestly, if they don't upgrade the AF w/ the next model, then I will probably just get that model anyway since I have a nice set of lenses now, and I will probably need a camera by then.

BTW- thanks for the link and the image...it is helpful :)

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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2010, 10:24:18 AM »
I've personally never found the AF on my 5DMKII to be lacking.

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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2010, 01:53:10 PM »
I've personally never found the AF on my 5DMKII to be lacking.

Thanks for sharing that, fotoworx :)  Great example of how not everyone has the same needs.  I think I might have made it sound like it was a horrid AF system, when all I was doing was pointing out the specific reasons it didn't work for me personally.  Hopefully Brad isn't completely turned off on the camera (if he was even looking for one...heck, I think I was just assuming that...sorry if I was incorrect, Brad.) 

I think so much in photography depends on personal preference and shooting style.  Fotoworx and thousands of 5D mkII owners have no problem w/ the camera and love it.  If you are considering one, Brad, I would really recommend renting or borrowing one and trying it out for yourself.  If it does what you need it to do, then who cares what I thought, right? ;) 

Other people's opinions are just that...our opinions.  They are valuable for getting a general feel for how something works, but ultimately, we each need to just get what we like and decide for ourselves.  Really sorry if it sounded like I was shredding the 5DII  :-[

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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2010, 01:53:10 PM »

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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2010, 01:36:27 AM »
Actually I did forget to mention that -- I don't have any problems w/ my 5DIIs AF system either. But then I don't use the tracking feature, for sports etc. I use a 7D (for the longer reach mainly. I usually pre-focus.)
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Re: EOS 3Dor 5DIII rumor update at Northern Light Images?
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2010, 07:09:28 AM »
Honestly, if they don't upgrade the AF w/ the next model, then I will probably just get that model anyway since I have a nice set of lenses now, and I will probably need a camera by then.
It's a safe bet that it will be upgraded.  Unless Canon pulls a segment repositioning maneuver with the 5D's successor even more dramatic than the 60D's, it'd be very strange for them to leave the full-frame model with 15 AF points in-between models that have 45 points (1D Mark IV) and 19 (on the 7D all are cross-type; on the 5D Mark II only one is).

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