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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #105 on: July 16, 2012, 03:01:06 PM »
Oh, and as for terminating posts and posters, a word to the you know who. There's a strong Judeo-Christian bias in that neighborhood; something as innocuous as the "F" word will get you terminated here in the gentleman's club.

Seriously?  You're going to make it a religious issue to act cordially and try to use an above 7th grade vocabulary?  Maybe we should try to stick to discussing cameras and photography.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #105 on: July 16, 2012, 03:01:06 PM »

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #106 on: July 16, 2012, 03:02:16 PM »
looks like he has accepted that already but some here won´t let him have his own opinion.  ::)

No. Having an opinion and excessive complaining about the same thing are two different things. I also seem to recall him getting nasty with Brian for voicing HIS opinion.  ::) ::)

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #107 on: July 16, 2012, 03:07:52 PM »
The 5D MkIII sensor, 7D like autofocus, and a pop-up flash (probably with flash control) and it's not an upgrade over the MkII for the same price?. 

if canon would be the only camera maker it sure looks like a good deal.
compared to the rumored D600... well... no.

and you have to understand the different needs.

for me the 5D MK3 sensor has no real advantage.
i shot below ISO 1600 99% of the time.

i shoot landscape, macro and home studio studio stuff.
85% of the time i use the center AF point.

i shot no video.

so why should people like me update to a 5D MK3 or this new FF camera?

from a company point of view it sure makes sense.
but we are individuals here, with individual needs.

Ever thought that it might not be for people like you but people like me with Rebels and 60D's to upgrade to.
And I can just assume - there is a lot of us
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #108 on: July 16, 2012, 03:08:14 PM »
Will a plastic body mean they could add GPS?  (If I remember correctly, the magnesium body is the reason that Canon states the 5D II and III can't have in-camera GPS.)

I don't know about the magnesium body, but having a built in GPS could backfire for some working Pros who shoot in sensitive areas where GPS is prohibited. For that reason, I doubt we'll ever see built in GPS in DSLRs. That and the GPS accessory is a money maker.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #109 on: July 16, 2012, 03:09:29 PM »
Umm.... I would be really suprised when one would choose Canon New Entry Level over Nikon D600 (as if reported specs of both cameras are correct) even if at the same price.  There is one exception is that that person has too many Canon lens (ooopsss).

if a newbie wants to buy into the DSLR world and asks me what to buy .. and the specs are true.. my unbiased advice.. -> buy the D600.

sorry canon... but on paper the D600 looks better.

@Canon F1:  Kudo to your suggestion Canon F1!  You are absolutely correct.  I would suggest the same thing as if they would like to go with Canon.  However, as if Canon don't pay really close to voices from their customers, I bet that they would lose theirs...  There are many lessons out there to take a look at (Sony TV vs. Samsung, Nokia vs. Samsung and Apple, etc).  Didn't those company lose number of customers with same kinda reasons?

I guess that Canon needs to keep in mind that there is no such a DSLR newbie knowing why they are needing a full frame camera (For example, how many newbie knows how to shoot a picture in low light situation or dynamic range situation i.e. in a under shade of tress and sun? like cherry farm at high noon with a windy day :-)

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #110 on: July 16, 2012, 03:11:22 PM »
I'm very excited by the news, happy that it's CR2 and not just a wild rumor.

- I'm excited about a plastic body.  I'm a traveler and hiker, and every gram counts.
- Same price as 5D2, but it'll have vastly better AF, a newer sensor, and it'll have digic5.
- If the price starts at $2k at launch, it'll only go downward from there on

I wonder if the new lens will be 28-135/3.5-5.6 mk2 STM?

 This might just be the camera that'll have me switch from crop to FF.  But then I'll have to buy new UWA and fisheye lenses  :-\

Another enthusiastic target buyer. Perhaps Canon have got it right.

I agreed.

FF sensor + 19points AF = enough for enthusiastic shooter to jump from crop to FF.

awww hell, the 5d2 AF was so terrible I would have gotten the 5d3 even if it only had the 19 pt 7d AF system... the 61pt system now is just gravy to me.  Horses for courses, a 5d2 shooter not wanting to shell out $3500 for the 5d3, and get improved AF again, more high ISO, better sensor and technology...  all for under $2000 (supposedly)... to me that's a no-brainer, but what do I know. 
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #111 on: July 16, 2012, 03:18:49 PM »
I'm very excited by the news, happy that it's CR2 and not just a wild rumor.

- I'm excited about a plastic body.  I'm a traveler and hiker, and every gram counts.
- Same price as 5D2, but it'll have vastly better AF, a newer sensor, and it'll have digic5.
- If the price starts at $2k at launch, it'll only go downward from there on

I wonder if the new lens will be 28-135/3.5-5.6 mk2 STM?

 This might just be the camera that'll have me switch from crop to FF.  But then I'll have to buy new UWA and fisheye lenses  :-\

Another enthusiastic target buyer. Perhaps Canon have got it right.

I agreed.

FF sensor + 19points AF = enough for enthusiastic shooter to jump from crop to FF.

awww hell, the 5d2 AF was so terrible I would have gotten the 5d3 even if it only had the 19 pt 7d AF system... the 61pt system now is just gravy to me.  Horses for courses, a 5d2 shooter not wanting to shell out $3500 for the 5d3, and get improved AF again, more high ISO, better sensor and technology...  all for under $2000 (supposedly)... to me that's a no-brainer, but what do I know.

I am also one of those target buyers very excited about this.

I was just wondering, back in Feb 2012 when I wrote a post about the cost of FF and suggested that there is space on the market for a 70D like body (60D + Digic 5), 7D AF and a FF sensor, many commented that you couldn't just drop that 7D AF in over a FF sensor.  It seems that this is exactly what will happen.  So do they need to change anything or not?
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #111 on: July 16, 2012, 03:18:49 PM »

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #112 on: July 16, 2012, 03:21:59 PM »
i really like the idea of a smaller lighter full frame, i dont need 9 fps.. or 60 focusing points. what i do need is the low light performance and the high ISO performance of the 5d mk III.

i know this wont be a perfect camera, but i'm really looking forward to seeing what really comes out and the performance of it. Nikon is really pushing Canon in good new ways. competition is a good thing.

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From what you are saying, I am not sure why you need a full frame?  Just currious...  Want a real focal range? :)

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #113 on: July 16, 2012, 03:30:43 PM »
It does sound like a repackaged 5d2. The probability of inheriting 7D's AF sounds promising and the package might come awfully close to mark3 for 1.5k less; perhaps some features chopping is due.

on another note, i seriously wonder about Canon's product planners abilities. 5years ago they were alone in the game and now they're being dragged around. Suddenly Canon who was in the frontier of FF finds itself stalling with cameras between 18 & 22mp and the competition ( that 5 yrs ago didnt even had FF) has models spanning from 12 to 36mp

That's why I (and a few others) started to raise havoc on the forums 3-4 years ago. It was all easy enough to see. But most said we were trolls spouting nonsense and that Canon would always easily be far ahead of Nikon....

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #114 on: July 16, 2012, 03:32:22 PM »
I can't believe how this is actually being taken as a serious option FOR ANYBODY. Over $2000 with taxes . . if you are a serious photographer, then get a mkIII and mean it. The laod of crap they saturate tyhe market witrh these days is amazing . . . thanks to the sheep out there. And thank god for plastic, and $2000 FF cameras too . . . profit grab, nothing else. So, I guess the 5DmkII will be around $1000 now.

$1500 extra is still a lot to many people

the main problem is not so much this camera but the rumored D600 which might have a much better sensor and an important extra fps and perhaps better AF for perhaps same price

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #115 on: July 16, 2012, 03:45:30 PM »
Basically the only difference between the 5d2 and 5d3 is the AF and thats worth $1500 in that case. but this AF UPGRADE isn't worth the same price? Im lost. and this is coming from a 5d3 owner.

no moire and 1.5-2 stops better SNR for video and a critical 2 extra fps and faster shutter response and no banding at very high iso are pretty big items too though, in addition to the AF (not a fan of the new VF though, easy replaceable screens would've meant more to me)   oh and it's not super huge but it seems to do a solid 1/2+ better SNR

(granted it was sad they STILL crippled autoiso and they crippled video by not giving it crop modes, zebra stripes and focus peaking, ridiculous petty games by canon marketing and the dynamic range at lower ISO to actually become a trace worse when Nikon gets like 3+ stops better.....)

(and other nice ones, not that they really cost anything (other than perhaps the build): C1-C3 can now auto-update (really nice), dedicated video toggle switch, instant jump to exact 100% percent review, quick in field rating, audio meters, outline around histogram, nicer screen, less flimsy build, dual MFA for zooms (next they need to add near, mid and far distance settings perhaps), mostly they don't really add anything to Canon's cost and some could even be put on the 5D2 with a new firmware, but whatever, they do all make it more usable in the field absolutely for sure)

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #116 on: July 16, 2012, 03:48:00 PM »
The more I think about this rumor, this could  could work out very nicely for me assuming the specs are within my needs.  This might just be the perfect camera for those in my shoes or on a limited budget.  (Obviously if funds were unlimited I would already have a 5D3.)

Since I have a 7D and plan to keep it and get a FF in addition, I will have the reach and FPS with the 7D when I need it.

A FF (I'll call it a 6D) will be my landscape, portrait, and low light body.  Assuming the specs are at least these:
-  same (or better) sensor than the 5DII
-  7D or better AF
-  AFMA
-  form factor no smaller than the 7D
-  100% view finder
-  prefer metal body (may compromise)
-  weather sealing (at least that of 7D)
-  swivel screen--don't want
-  pop up flash--don't want unless its a radio trigger
 
All my lens are EF Ls so everything is line.

If this doesn't work out then I'm back to looking at a 5D2 or 5D3--but a 5D3 has to come down or I'll have to go used.

Sorry, I know, this is an extension off a previous post, just optimistic that this might be my solution.
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #117 on: July 16, 2012, 04:05:15 PM »
looks like he has accepted that already but some here won´t let him have his own opinion.  ::)

No. Having an opinion and excessive complaining about the same thing are two different things. I also seem to recall him getting nasty with Brian for voicing HIS opinion.  ::) ::)

well his opinion is that everyone should stop posting about nikon here.


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and so on.. lots more posted in the third party forum that is exactly made for such discussions.   ::)

you were talking about "excessive complaining" ?   ;)
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« Reply #117 on: July 16, 2012, 04:05:15 PM »

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #118 on: July 16, 2012, 04:06:50 PM »
Is that $1,999 for the camera AND the kit lens? Or just the body? :-P

Cause if it's for the camera AND the kit lens....I am soooooo buying one. $1,499 would be sweet for a entry level full frame.
I doubt they would include a $500 lens with this camera. More like $200....
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #119 on: July 16, 2012, 04:10:43 PM »
Oh I see…..I'm not a 'serious' photographer unless I go into 'serious' debt!

The 2k price point is perfect and not one being used by Canon at the moment. You have a big jump from the 7D to a 5D mk2 and let's not get into the size of the jump from a 7D to a mk3. Once again, some of us have budgets. I for one am liking the specs. Not loving but liking.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #119 on: July 16, 2012, 04:10:43 PM »