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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #210 on: July 17, 2012, 01:11:15 PM »
How does this make sense? Why would I want a $2000 plastic 5DII equivalent when I can have the real thing for the same money? And I don't believe there is any noticeable difference between the 5DII and 5DIII sensor. So what gives?

Good points. CR2, however it's hard to believe that this set of specs makes any sense.

Sounds like someone puts too much faith in DxOMark and not enough in their own eyes.

Not to meantion the 7D auto focus system.
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #210 on: July 17, 2012, 01:11:15 PM »

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« Reply #211 on: July 17, 2012, 01:20:49 PM »
I have a feeling that the new "entry level" FF camera is a signal that Canon plans to keep the price of the Mark III rather high.   :'(

What do you guys think?
I think it depends on what they are going to offer as this new entry level FF. If the key factors (IQ and AF) are a success then this entry level FF might become a good alternative for many who is sitting on a fence waiting for lower price of MKIII. In other words, if the new FF starts stealing MKIII's buyers and MKIII sales slow down (might be for a numbe of reasons actually - new Canon FF, new entry level FF  from Nikon, better availability and elimination of bugs in Nikon D800). In that case MKIII original MSRP gotta go down. I think it will go down somewhat regardless. New canon FF might not be a huge success, but Nikon's offerings and aggressive pricing will take care of that.
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #212 on: July 17, 2012, 01:27:22 PM »
How does this make sense? Why would I want a $2000 plastic 5DII equivalent when I can have the real thing for the same money? And I don't believe there is any noticeable difference between the 5DII and 5DIII sensor. So what gives?

Good points. CR2, however it's hard to believe that this set of specs makes any sense.

Sounds like someone puts too much faith in DxOMark and not enough in their own eyes.

Not to meantion the 7D auto focus system.
  +1.  The CR indicated same sensor as MKIII, not MKII. So how about "a plastic MKIII equivalent" for $2K with a bit less features (instead of MKII equivalent)? All of a sudden it starts looking quite atteractive, huh?
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #213 on: July 17, 2012, 01:34:52 PM »
2000/-??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Canon must be kidding.

Again it lost on
Nikon D600 24mp full frame under 1600usd.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #214 on: July 17, 2012, 01:54:02 PM »
2000/-??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Canon must be kidding.

Again it lost on
Nikon D600 24mp full frame under 1600usd.

How do you figure that the D600 will be better than the new Canon ff?

Neither have been announced nor tested - yet you are dissing Canon?

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #215 on: July 17, 2012, 02:01:30 PM »
2000/-??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Canon must be kidding.

Again it lost on
Nikon D600 24mp full frame under 1600usd.

We don't know if the price of D600 is really about 1.5K or not.  If so, the new FF camera should be about 1.5K as well.  Too early to talk about the price.  Anyway, I am glad to see Canon responses to Nikon's D600.
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #216 on: July 17, 2012, 02:03:00 PM »
There have been many valid points on why the 5DIII costs what it does, how Canon and Nikon both make great products but are for different uses and that it is stupid to get over excited about rumored specs and costs of two cameras that don't yet exist. Yet you all choose to ignore those posts and just bitch like spoiled children. This forum has turned to S___ and I'm disappointed with myself for getting sucked into the nonsense and sticking around. So long.....

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« Reply #216 on: July 17, 2012, 02:03:00 PM »

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #217 on: July 17, 2012, 02:11:59 PM »
it is stupid to get over excited about rumored specs and costs of two cameras that don't yet exist.
This is a very strange post for a forum on a Canon RUMORS website. Just reading the name of the website alone it should be quite obvious why people come here and what they are mostly discussing, don't you think??? If you don't like to read or participate in such discussions - well there are plenty of websites and forums dedicated to existing and already announced gear. Feel free to move on.
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #218 on: July 17, 2012, 02:21:41 PM »
it is stupid to get over excited about rumored specs and costs of two cameras that don't yet exist.
This is a very strange post for a forum on a Canon RUMORS website. Just reading the name of the website alone it should be quite obvious why people come here and what they are mostly discussing, don't you think??? If you don't like to read or participate in such discussions - well there are plenty of websites and forums dedicated to existing and already announced gear. Feel free to move on.

In the EOS bodies section of the Forum it is disappointing to get Canon flamed for something which is no more than a rumour.

The post that he was complaining about should have been in a different section or better still - Nikon rumours

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #219 on: July 17, 2012, 02:54:32 PM »
Hey, enough with all the damned name-calling on here. Can't we all get along  :P

I think the Canon rumored budget FF will be around $2,000 - 2,500. Lotta wiggle room there. The 5d3 can be had for just over $3,000 all over Ebay. Still, I don't feel like it should retail for even $3,000 given that the 5d2 was $2699, right? I feel like replacement models should hold basically the same price point. Look at cars for example. A 2000 model Honda Accord is essentially the same price as a 2012 model. Perhaps $1,500-2,500 more, but that's only about 10% inflation in 12 years!!
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #220 on: July 17, 2012, 03:11:04 PM »
I heard from a Canon sales rep (he asked not to be named, sorry) that the entry level FF was going to be 52mp, usable ISO 50-204,000 expandable to 816,000, 12fps, weather sealed, 20 steps dynamic range, radio wireless pop-up flash, 124 point auto focus, 4 simultaneous Digic 6+ processors, and will accept lenses from all brands.  US$1,599.  It will only be available in bright pink and lavender.  Late September launch.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #221 on: July 17, 2012, 03:17:03 PM »
I've used the very best point and shoots and bridge cameras, and for my tastes they simply cannot compare to even the lowest level DSLRs (e.g. Rebel T3).

Have you also choose to ignore that I was talking about interchangeable lens micro 4/3 (like Olympus E-M5 or Panasonic GH2) and not point and shoots and bridge cameras?

Just because if you cannot make a difference between micro 4/3 and point & shoot/bridge then probably there is no point in any further discussion...

Don't even bother to make a bit of search with terms like "GH2 beats 5D". I did not need to search as I have personal experience both with Canon DSLR and e.g. GH2.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #222 on: July 17, 2012, 03:35:22 PM »
I heard from a Canon sales rep (he asked not to be named, sorry) that the entry level FF was going to be 52mp, usable ISO 50-204,000 expandable to 816,000, 12fps, weather sealed, 20 steps dynamic range, radio wireless pop-up flash, 124 point auto focus, 4 simultaneous Digic 6+ processors, and will accept lenses from all brands.  US$1,599.  It will only be available in bright pink and lavender.  Late September launch.

True story.

Bummer.  I was hoping for 126 pt auto focus 124 simply won't do.  Oh well.  Guess I'll have to switch to Nikon now  :P
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #223 on: July 17, 2012, 03:57:08 PM »
I've used the very best point and shoots and bridge cameras, and for my tastes they simply cannot compare to even the lowest level DSLRs (e.g. Rebel T3).

Have you also choose to ignore that I was talking about interchangeable lens micro 4/3 (like Olympus E-M5 or Panasonic GH2) and not point and shoots and bridge cameras?

Just because if you cannot make a difference between micro 4/3 and point & shoot/bridge then probably there is no point in any further discussion...

Don't even bother to make a bit of search with terms like "GH2 beats 5D". I did not need to search as I have personal experience both with Canon DSLR and e.g. GH2.

Are you really suggesting that a GH2 is better than my 1DS3 with 200 f/2?   ... then probably there is no point in any further discussion...

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #224 on: July 17, 2012, 04:03:45 PM »
I've used the very best point and shoots and bridge cameras, and for my tastes they simply cannot compare to even the lowest level DSLRs (e.g. Rebel T3).

Have you also choose to ignore that I was talking about interchangeable lens micro 4/3 (like Olympus E-M5 or Panasonic GH2) and not point and shoots and bridge cameras?

Just because if you cannot make a difference between micro 4/3 and point & shoot/bridge then probably there is no point in any further discussion...

Don't even bother to make a bit of search with terms like "GH2 beats 5D". I did not need to search as I have personal experience both with Canon DSLR and e.g. GH2.

No need to get snippy.  If you're saying that mirrors will go away, then yes I believe you are correct.  I don't really care if it's a SLR or a DLR or a NLNR (no lens no reflex, and yes I'm just making it up).  If you're talking about sensor sizes...again, most people don't really care.  Give them the IQ they want with the compatibility of their lenses and an ability to print the size that they need and they won't care exactly how the engineers accomplished that (except for other engineers and people who like to hang out on forums arguing tech specs.)

Most people that I know who are dedicated to DSLR, it's the viewfinder vs. the screen and lens selections that are the issues.  I seriously doubt many people care whether or not it actually has a mirror (kinda like saying "I'll only by a car if it has a Getrag transmission").  It's not the transmission, it's the whole package.  And when the whole package gives a similar (or better) experience, then L in DSLR will go away.

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Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« Reply #224 on: July 17, 2012, 04:03:45 PM »