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Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« on: July 17, 2012, 11:42:57 AM »
This was an outdoor jazz concert at a local science museum, featuring Nathan and the Zydeco Cha-Chas.  The shots below were taken about 30 minutes after sunset.

Shot RAW, converted using default settings in DPP, only edit was cropping.  Click image then View All Sizes (upper right) for a 1600 pixel version.  Thanks for looking!


EOS 1D X, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM @ 200mm, 1/320 s, f/2.8, ISO 4000


EOS 1D X, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM @ 200mm, 1/250 s, f/2.8, ISO 4000


EOS 1D X, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM @ 70mm, 1/200 s, f/5, ISO 12800
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Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 01:05:46 PM »
Lookin good at ISO 12800. Shows Decent DR at high ISO which might be one of the strengths of this camera.

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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 03:50:08 PM »

Once I'm settle with lenses, 1D X will be my next body.

Still...I'm very happy with 5D III.
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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 04:00:05 PM »
This was an outdoor jazz concert at a local science museum, featuring Nathan and the Zydeco Cha-Chas.  The shots below were taken about 30 minutes after sunset.

Shot RAW, converted using default settings in DPP, only edit was cropping.  Click image then View All Sizes (upper right) for a 1600 pixel version.  Thanks for looking!


EOS 1D X, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM @ 200mm, 1/320 s, f/2.8, ISO 4000


EOS 1D X, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM @ 200mm, 1/250 s, f/2.8, ISO 4000


EOS 1D X, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM @ 70mm, 1/200 s, f/5, ISO 12800


Wow - look at that vertical banding :D

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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 11:02:31 PM »
lol @ briansquibb
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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2012, 03:25:06 PM »
This was an outdoor jazz concert at a local science museum, featuring Nathan and the Zydeco Cha-Chas.  The shots below were taken about 30 minutes after sunset.

Shot RAW, converted using default settings in DPP, only edit was cropping.  Click image then View All Sizes (upper right) for a 1600 pixel version.  Thanks for looking!


EOS 1D X, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM @ 200mm, 1/320 s, f/2.8, ISO 4000


EOS 1D X, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM @ 200mm, 1/250 s, f/2.8, ISO 4000


EOS 1D X, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM @ 70mm, 1/200 s, f/5, ISO 12800


Wow - look at that vertical banding :D

That crossed my mind too :P.
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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2012, 03:32:29 PM »
Yikes, I didn't even notice that.   :o

Now I'm confused...should I return the camera, or ask the museum to remodel their exterior?   ???
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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2012, 03:32:29 PM »

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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2012, 04:51:56 PM »
Yikes, I didn't even notice that.   :o

Now I'm confused...should I return the camera, or ask the museum to remodel their exterior?   ???

If you have this serial xxxxx1xxxxxx, then yes, it's camera problem.

You need to send your 1D X to me and I'll have this problem fixed within a week.  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2012, 09:54:48 PM »
Since my 5DIII has alot less banding, I will trade you straight across.  :P
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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2012, 02:39:02 AM »
Neuro - first a big congrats on acquiring that camera of which so few of us will ever get to own let alone touch :).  I recall you were waiting patiently as well.  I think the shots are pretty good though especially #3.  I wanted to ask if you noticed some overexposure in the first and second shots did you have a chance to use this histogram?  I know with that 70-200 2.8 lens we're all tempted in low light to keep the ISO as low as possible and the aperture wide open to get the best resolution but did you happen to notice a bit of blurriness in the hand of the first musician (1st pic)?  I wonder if a narrower aperture with higher ISO would have helped or possibly Zone AF or the 61 Point AF?  I had a similar instance where I was using a 70-300 L IS USM at 5.0 @ 221mm. I neglected to realize that 5.0 aperture still wasn't small enough as the focal range must be added in that equation as well to determine at what F stop would be the lowest I could go without sacrificing sharpness.  There's something you may have heard of called Circle Of Confusion within each SLR that helps to determine the best aperture based on distance and your focal length.  I did some reading on this yesterday..quite interesting.  Lastly, I wonder if the 61 point or Zone Af would have helped any (open for comment on this) with the 2.8 aperture making it any sharper..do you recall which AF selection you had on?   Looking forward to more of your posts and any responses.  Best wishes...Rev
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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2012, 10:55:45 AM »
Thanks for the comments!

I wanted to ask if you noticed some overexposure in the first and second shots did you have a chance to use this histogram?

There are a few blown highlights in all three shots, actually, but as they're things that 'should' be blown (chrome reflections, hotspots from stage lighting, etc.), I don't mind.  I think the overall scne exposures are good, and in particular the DR at ISO 12800 is impressive, from the black shoes (with many shades of gray/black being distinguishable in the shadows) to the highlights on the shirt.

I know with that 70-200 2.8 lens we're all tempted in low light to keep the ISO as low as possible and the aperture wide open to get the best resolution but did you happen to notice a bit of blurriness in the hand of the first musician (1st pic)?  I wonder if a narrower aperture with higher ISO would have helped or possibly Zone AF or the 61 Point AF?  I had a similar instance where I was using a 70-300 L IS USM at 5.0 @ 221mm. I neglected to realize that 5.0 aperture still wasn't small enough as the focal range must be added in that equation as well to determine at what F stop would be the lowest I could go without sacrificing sharpness. 

Well...wide open usually does not give best resolution from a lens - a couple of stops down from wide open is the resolution peak for most lenses.  You're right, his hand is outside of the DoF on the first shot.  Actually, the one that needed more DoF, IMO, is the third one - would have been nice to have both Nathan and my daughter in focus, but she's outside the DoF a bit.  But...I was already at f/5 and ISO 12800.  I may become comfortable shooting ISO 25600, especially if DxO's high ISO NR is better than DPP's (as it is for the 7D and 5DII).

There's something you may have heard of called Circle Of Confusion within each SLR that helps to determine the best aperture based on distance and your focal length.  I did some reading on this yesterday..quite interesting. 

I'm confused...   :o  CoC is based on sensor size (independent of MP count), and is what underlies the DoF calculators out there.  After a time, you develop an intuitive feel for the aperture you need at a given distance/focal length to capture the DoF you want.  There was a suggestion in another thread of using f/number = number of people in the group shot, up to f/8 or so, which was a nice way to put it.

Lastly, I wonder if the 61 point or Zone Af would have helped any (open for comment on this) with the 2.8 aperture making it any sharper..do you recall which AF selection you had on? 

All of the shots posted here were in AI Servo mode with 61-pt auto selection (which also enables the iTR face tracking).    Keep in mind when using auto selection in servo mode, you can pick the starting AF point, but when using auto selection in One Shot, the camera will lock into the closest subject, which may not be what you want.
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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2012, 01:26:55 PM »
Thanks for the eloquent response..all well stated.

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I'm confused...   :o  CoC is based on sensor size (independent of MP count), and is what underlies the DoF calculators out there.  After a time, you develop an intuitive feel for the aperture you need at a given distance/focal length to capture the DoF you want.  There was a suggestion in another thread of using f/number = number of people in the group shot, up to f/8 or so, which was a nice way to put it.

I guess I need to reread the Circle Of Confusion again..may have misstated here/above.  The F/number=number of people failed for me.  I had 3 in a photo at F5 one in focus, one slightly out of focus and one certainly out of focus. 

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   Lastly, I wonder if the 61 point or Zone Af would have helped any (open for comment on this) with the 2.8 aperture making it any sharper..do you recall which AF selection you had on?


All of the shots posted here were in AI Servo mode with 61-pt auto selection (which also enables the iTR face tracking).    Keep in mind when using auto selection in servo mode, you can pick the starting AF point, but when using auto selection in One Shot, the camera will lock into the closest subject, which may not be what you want.
  Right .. thanks for this reminder.
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2012, 01:55:56 AM »
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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2012, 02:19:36 AM »
@neuro

I noticed that you also own the Canon 135mm f/2 L (your gearlist)

Still, you took the photos with the Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 II. Do you prefer this lens above the 135mm for this kind of photoshoot? And why? And, in what situation do you use the 135mm?
Isn't the 135mm lens "kind of" replaced by the 70-200 f/2.8 II?

Like to hear your opinion.


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Re: Concert shot with 1D X and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2012, 06:34:36 AM »
Thanks!

I took the 70-200 II for the flexibiilty of a zoom, which I find very useful when I can't predict what/from where I'll be shooting.  In some cases, I was next to the stage and needed 70mm, in others I was further away and needed a longer focal length.  Plus, my kids were running around, and being able to zoom is a huge help, there.

I do know what you mean by the 70-200 II 'kind of replacing' the 135L - the zoom is as sharp, has IS, and is only one stop slower (which the 1D X makes up for me over the 5DII with ISO, at least in terms of exposure).  But...that one stop makes a substantial difference in background blur (~30% thinner DoF at 135mm).  My primary use for the 135L is portraits, where I have control over the subject distance. 
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