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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2310 on: December 19, 2013, 01:58:59 PM »
The "compression" from the 200 is exactly the same as the compression from the 85 if shot from the same place, to get the same framing then just crop the 85 shot. The 200 f2 will give you narrower dof than the 85 when wide open at the same subject distance, and give you more pixels on target, but so does a 200 f2.8.

Not saying the 200 f2 isn't an awesome lens, just pointing out that lenses do not make "compression" that is perspective, and perspective is made by position alone.

I don't get that, a telephoto compresses the subject and background more than a wider lens, no? A tree in the background seem closer to the subject with a tele than with a wide angle. I thought that the compression of the subject  and perspective has very much to do with the focal length?

The persepctive to me, wouldn't look the same with the 85 shot closer, but maybe I just don't get you meant..
If you make the shot from exactly the same position with the two lenses and crop the 85 image to match the 200 image, they would look exactly the same. But if you move in closer to the subject with the 85, to get exactly the same framing, the perspective would be wider with the 85.

Ah, takker Eldar. That is a half truth though, you would have less of those superb pixels on the subject. Btw is the 85 shot at f2 or f1.2 in that scenario. And wouldn't the 85 show more background at f2 than the 200 at f2 even if the perspective is the same?
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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2310 on: December 19, 2013, 01:58:59 PM »

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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2311 on: December 19, 2013, 03:55:45 PM »
The "compression" from the 200 is exactly the same as the compression from the 85 if shot from the same place, to get the same framing then just crop the 85 shot. The 200 f2 will give you narrower dof than the 85 when wide open at the same subject distance, and give you more pixels on target, but so does a 200 f2.8.

Not saying the 200 f2 isn't an awesome lens, just pointing out that lenses do not make "compression" that is perspective, and perspective is made by position alone.

I don't get that, a telephoto compresses the subject and background more than a wider lens, no? A tree in the background seem closer to the subject with a tele than with a wide angle. I thought that the compression of the subject  and perspective has very much to do with the focal length?

The persepctive to me, wouldn't look the same with the 85 shot closer, but maybe I just don't get you meant..
If you make the shot from exactly the same position with the two lenses and crop the 85 image to match the 200 image, they would look exactly the same. But if you move in closer to the subject with the 85, to get exactly the same framing, the perspective would be wider with the 85.

Ah, takker Eldar. That is a half truth though, you would have less of those superb pixels on the subject. Btw is the 85 shot at f2 or f1.2 in that scenario. And wouldn't the 85 show more background at f2 than the 200 at f2 even if the perspective is the same?

I'm no expert in this, but it looks like f1.8 on 85L II. Here is the background on 85L II @ f1.8.
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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2312 on: December 19, 2013, 04:15:03 PM »
The "compression" from the 200 is exactly the same as the compression from the 85 if shot from the same place, to get the same framing then just crop the 85 shot. The 200 f2 will give you narrower dof than the 85 when wide open at the same subject distance, and give you more pixels on target, but so does a 200 f2.8.

Not saying the 200 f2 isn't an awesome lens, just pointing out that lenses do not make "compression" that is perspective, and perspective is made by position alone.

I don't get that, a telephoto compresses the subject and background more than a wider lens, no? A tree in the background seem closer to the subject with a tele than with a wide angle. I thought that the compression of the subject  and perspective has very much to do with the focal length?

The persepctive to me, wouldn't look the same with the 85 shot closer, but maybe I just don't get you meant..
If you make the shot from exactly the same position with the two lenses and crop the 85 image to match the 200 image, they would look exactly the same. But if you move in closer to the subject with the 85, to get exactly the same framing, the perspective would be wider with the 85.

Ah, takker Eldar. That is a half truth though, you would have less of those superb pixels on the subject. Btw is the 85 shot at f2 or f1.2 in that scenario. And wouldn't the 85 show more background at f2 than the 200 at f2 even if the perspective is the same?

I'm no expert in this, but it looks like f1.8 on 85L II. Here is the background on 85L II @ f1.8.
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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2313 on: December 19, 2013, 04:32:14 PM »
The "compression" from the 200 is exactly the same as the compression from the 85 if shot from the same place, to get the same framing then just crop the 85 shot. The 200 f2 will give you narrower dof than the 85 when wide open at the same subject distance, and give you more pixels on target, but so does a 200 f2.8.

Not saying the 200 f2 isn't an awesome lens, just pointing out that lenses do not make "compression" that is perspective, and perspective is made by position alone.

I don't get that, a telephoto compresses the subject and background more than a wider lens, no? A tree in the background seem closer to the subject with a tele than with a wide angle. I thought that the compression of the subject  and perspective has very much to do with the focal length?

The persepctive to me, wouldn't look the same with the 85 shot closer, but maybe I just don't get you meant..
If you make the shot from exactly the same position with the two lenses and crop the 85 image to match the 200 image, they would look exactly the same. But if you move in closer to the subject with the 85, to get exactly the same framing, the perspective would be wider with the 85.

Ah, takker Eldar. That is a half truth though, you would have less of those superb pixels on the subject. Btw is the 85 shot at f2 or f1.2 in that scenario. And wouldn't the 85 show more background at f2 than the 200 at f2 even if the perspective is the same?

I'm no expert in this, but it looks like f1.8 on 85L II. Here is the background on 85L II @ f1.8.
That is one concentrated little painter. Very nice image indeed!

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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2314 on: December 19, 2013, 04:58:00 PM »
I don't think it's as easy to just take a shot and ballpark guesstimate that background though . I have read somewhere that the dof and type of blur is very similar with the 85 @ 1.2 and the 200 at f2, but there are a lot of other differences of course. The 200 have no measurable distortion, no ca, and is much sharper.. But it's interesting stuff with dof and perspective across focals, so appriciated the info, thanks!
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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2315 on: December 20, 2013, 10:46:08 PM »
For the same subject framing the dof is the same for the same aperture, simple as that. Take a head and shoulders with the 85 f1.2 at <f2 and you have less dof than the same framed portrait with the 200 f2 wide open. Obviously the perspective is very different. Take both shots at f2 and dof is the same.

Take a picture from the same place and crop to get the same framing and the 200 f2 has much shallower dof than the 85 f1.2 even wide open. You'd need an 85 f0.85 to get the same dof as the 200 at the same distance if you wanted/needed to crop the 85mm shot to the same framing. An 85 mm f 0.85 would have an aperture 100mm diameter, funnily enough a 200 f2 has a 100mm diameter aperture. If you use the Brenizer Technique you can emulate an 85 f0.85 with the 200 or the 85 f1.2.

Using two different focal lengths from the same distance the size of the aperture is what determines dof, for the same framing (that is move closer with the shorter focal length) it is the f number.

If you take two images from the same place with two different focal lengths and then crop the shorter focal length to match the "compression"/perspective, is identical, the dof is not unless the apertures were the same physical size.
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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2316 on: December 20, 2013, 11:25:06 PM »
Another 1DX and 600mm IS II combination. The Desert fox was running close to 50 km/h. (Based on the  speedometer). It stopped for couple of seconds started to run in the opposite direction.  It has been a challenge to take the shot hand held. These guys are really fast and I was lucky to get them under evening golden light. This was Photographed at Wild Ass Sanctuary in Gujarat, India.

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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2316 on: December 20, 2013, 11:25:06 PM »

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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2317 on: December 21, 2013, 03:10:14 AM »
For the same subject framing the dof is the same for the same aperture, simple as that. Take a head and shoulders with the 85 f1.2 at <f2 and you have less dof than the same framed portrait with the 200 f2 wide open. Obviously the perspective is very different. Take both shots at f2 and dof is the same.

Take a picture from the same place and crop to get the same framing and the 200 f2 has much shallower dof than the 85 f1.2 even wide open. You'd need an 85 f0.85 to get the same dof as the 200 at the same distance if you wanted/needed to crop the 85mm shot to the same framing. An 85 mm f 0.85 would have an aperture 100mm diameter, funnily enough a 200 f2 has a 100mm diameter aperture. If you use the Brenizer Technique you can emulate an 85 f0.85 with the 200 or the 85 f1.2.

Using two different focal lengths from the same distance the size of the aperture is what determines dof, for the same framing (that is move closer with the shorter focal length) it is the f number.

If you take two images from the same place with two different focal lengths and then crop the shorter focal length to match the "compression"/perspective, is identical, the dof is not unless the apertures were the same physical size.

Thanks for clearing it up, I think I just didn't think about "same distance and crop the 85" I mean why would I buy a 85 to use it as a 200? But theoretically and to explain the dof focal aperture relationship it's the best way to explain it.
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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2318 on: December 21, 2013, 04:10:46 PM »
Obviously not to the standard set by Edward and others, but here are a couple taken from a very bumpy ride at Disney World's Kilimanjaro Safari. 1Dx + 70-200 f2.8L Mk. II


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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2319 on: December 21, 2013, 04:12:08 PM »
And two more for good measure.

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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2320 on: December 21, 2013, 04:12:48 PM »

Very nice series. Well done eli72.

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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2321 on: December 23, 2013, 07:58:30 AM »
Finally the Zeiss Otus 55mm f1.4 arrived. According to the distributor I got the first Canon mount in Scandinavia, so miracles do happen :)

There are limited opportunities where I am at the moment, but here is the first outdoor shot with the 1DX, of my daughter squinting against the low December sun. f2, 1/3200s, ISO100.

From what I have seen so far, the lens is worth (almost) all the hype.
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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2322 on: December 23, 2013, 08:01:22 AM »
HereĀ“s another one. ISO100, f/11, 1/100s
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« Reply #2322 on: December 23, 2013, 08:01:22 AM »

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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2323 on: December 23, 2013, 10:16:07 AM »
Leopard Cub cleaning after chewing down on a fresh Kill by Mum.

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Just on Sunset, in the shade so quite dark.
I want one of these for xmas!the cutest thing ever lol great shot :)

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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2324 on: December 23, 2013, 10:16:45 AM »
Finally the Zeiss Otus 55mm f1.4 arrived. According to the distributor I got the first Canon mount in Scandinavia, so miracles do happen :)

There are limited opportunities where I am at the moment, but here is the first outdoor shot with the 1DX, of my daughter squinting against the low December sun. f2, 1/3200s, ISO100.

From what I have seen so far, the lens is worth (almost) all the hype.
awesome Eldar love the bokeh :)

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Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« Reply #2324 on: December 23, 2013, 10:16:45 AM »