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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #300 on: September 08, 2013, 04:48:27 AM »
Would anyone mind presenting their "sunset" techniques/settings while I put my jaw back into its joints. 
Thanks much.


Hi, I wouldn't go so far as to say there are any specific "sunset techniques" as much as there are general photographic techniques. It's basically the same as photographing a lot of other landscape stuff; decide on how much DOF you want, what to expose for, composition and mood, then press the trigger..
Now that's simplifying it a lot.
Especially in shooting things like sunset, sunrises etc. one of the more difficult things to deal with is contrast.
Compromises would often have to be made, but there are things that can help.
ISO, shutter speed, f-stop. These basically decide the exposure, based on what the camera typically wants to expose for; a medium gray exposure. especially when shooting handheld, or if you don't want motion artifacts in your shots then compromises in either would have to be made.
As I said dealing with contrasts in these types of shots is often essential.
Typically the sky will be blindingly hot and burnt out if you want to preserve details of the scenery.
Multiple exposures and a lot of fiddling in PS, the Gimp or LR can bring those back under control, but not always.
ND grad filters, of various densities (loss of stops) are in my opinion essential tools to bring the contrast between sky and land under control.
There are various makes and densities of ND grads, Lee, Hitec, Cookin are a few of the makers.
Cokin, which I've stuck to most (price and availability in Norway) are cheap and does the job well. But as far as I can see they offer just grads that are linear, where the slope of the density increase (loss of light) is linear across the filter. The other makers offer reverse grads (I've just received a Hitec one I'm looking forward to try. These are darker around the middle of the frame, perfect to bring the horizon under control before gradually sloping off towards the "top"
Also the other makers offer ND grads that have a more defined edge (steeper slope) in the middle. (hard edge they are referred to)
Anyway, meter the sky and landscape to settle on how many stops difference there are, then settle for one that evens out the contrast as you want it. (though don't overdo it, naturally our eyes expect the sky in such situations to be brighter than the landscape.)
In use, either get a filter holder or just hold it in front of the lens, then slide it up and down to get the right effect. (remove the lens hood)
If you are shooting with a tripod I often tend to use manual exposure in combination with my 7D's live view and exp. simulation modes. This will give you the effect immediately. Slide up or down, pick a different filter, or filters to stack until you are satisfied.
If you overdo stacking of the filters, at least with my Cokins, an often undesired color cast can be introduced where the filtering effect is the strongest.
One problem with ND grads is if you are shooting a landscape with lots of detail on the sides of the frame, like trees, mountains as seen from a valley etc. (I'm from Norway, mountains and valleys are very prominent here..) These features will then shot a distinct linear darkening that reveals the use of an ND grad, but this can be fixed either by multiple exposures, flash (think trees, not mountain sides) or some selective dodging or burning.

If you look in my flick stream, I've added comments to a lot of my recent images on filter usage. http://www.flickr.com/photos/trondstromme/

Thanks and your pictures are AMAZING.  Also, I spent 6 weeks between Narvik and Harstad.

Just to add, there are basically two types of ND grads, soft and hard. As the names suggest, soft grads have a gradual change from light to dark and are best used for uneven horizons, such as mountains. They are harder to see in the viewfinder and therefore take a bit more practice to use effectively. Hard grads have a definite edge between the filtered and unfiltered section and are obvious in the viewfinder (and also in the final image if not positioned correctly). They are used for straight horizons or against the edge of a mountain. Reverse grads are hard grads where the gradation is opposite to normal and are usually the best filters for sunset/sunrise. Until recently, only Singh-Ray made them, but in the past 12 months or so, Hi-Tech have also produced them, although there have been reports of quality assurance issues, with some filters not being straight.
I used Hi-Tech filters with my Cokin P system for a couple of years, they are more neutral than the Cokin ones. I now use the Lee system, since using full frame for landscapes, with Lee filters, except for the recent Singh-Ray reverse grad.
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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #300 on: September 08, 2013, 04:48:27 AM »

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #301 on: September 08, 2013, 07:31:56 AM »
Sunset in Tokyo


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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #302 on: September 08, 2013, 07:42:14 AM »
Sunset in Tokyo

Lovely picture.

...And welcome to cr.  :)

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #303 on: September 08, 2013, 07:46:18 AM »
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Lovely picture.

...And welcome to cr.  :)

Thank you!

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #304 on: September 08, 2013, 01:28:28 PM »
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Lovely picture.

...And welcome to cr.  :)

Thank you!
Lovely!

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #305 on: September 08, 2013, 04:43:18 PM »
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Lovely picture.

...And welcome to cr.  :)

Thank you!
Lovely!

+1...so serene 8)
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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #306 on: September 21, 2013, 06:42:31 PM »
Windmill in the middle of the Australian desert.

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #306 on: September 21, 2013, 06:42:31 PM »

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #307 on: September 21, 2013, 08:27:25 PM »
Windmill in the middle of the Australian desert.
Nice colours. On a framing perspective, I would have panned a bit to the right and got the windmill on the 1/3rd vertical instead of being smack in the middle. That way the sun's glow would also come to the 1/3rd vertical on the right. You have the horizon on the 1/3rd horizontal right.

If you have a chance to shoot it again do try it.

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #308 on: September 21, 2013, 09:03:00 PM »
Rpt, You are right about the framing was not exactly how I wonted it. But I liked the light in this one. Hopefully I can shoot it again at some point as the sunsets are fantastic out here. The one this night was actually kinda average..LOL thanks for the positive critic.. appreciated.

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #309 on: September 21, 2013, 09:07:50 PM »
I agree with you Nirmala, the light is beautiful. Take rpt's suggestions  and shoot it again, it will be awesome.

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #310 on: September 21, 2013, 09:11:35 PM »
Thanks Click, this is another from the same night. It might follow the rules a little better?

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #311 on: September 21, 2013, 09:57:06 PM »
Yes it is.  ... Just a little bit tight in the frame. Nicely done Nirmala.  8) 

Lovely sky.

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #312 on: September 21, 2013, 10:17:33 PM »
Yes it is.  ... Just a little bit tight in the frame. Nicely done Nirmala.  8) 

Lovely sky.

+1....but I don't see any Kangaroos ;)
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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #312 on: September 21, 2013, 10:17:33 PM »

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #313 on: September 22, 2013, 12:02:11 AM »
Yes it is.  ... Just a little bit tight in the frame. Nicely done Nirmala.  8) 

Lovely sky.

Thanks and yes agreed...

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #314 on: September 22, 2013, 12:08:01 AM »
Yes it is.  ... Just a little bit tight in the frame. Nicely done Nirmala.  8) 

Lovely sky.

+1....but I don't see any Kangaroos ;)

Thanks Serindipidy Have not seen alot of Kangaroos out here, they usually are in a state of permanent sleep when I have seen them.  Plenty of Dingos runnning around though ...;)

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Re: Beautiful sunsets
« Reply #314 on: September 22, 2013, 12:08:01 AM »