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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2012, 04:53:31 AM »
The lens also reads "Macro 0.15m/0.49ft" on the side

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« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2012, 04:54:59 AM »
no viewfinder at all??   >:(

is this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

i need a viewfinder.
not one LCD i have seen so far does a good job in bright daylight.
hell they are totally useless on a sunny day, or not?
im always searching some shadowed area to chimp or have an look at the histogram.

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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2012, 05:03:38 AM »
no viewfinder at all??   >:(

it this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

You have the hot shoe to put an optical viewfinder on the camera ... just kidding. Do you think a viewfinder is absolutely necessary if you have a good display? I used a second hand Rolleicord and I found it phantastic to see the image with some distance - like a small print.

About the optical viewfinder: Not only kidding - I have a 35/70mm optical viewfinder and used it on my 20D (with a 8000x gray filter) and for fun. It is an interesting way to "compose" images. Just have to find out where I have stowed it away.
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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #63 on: July 20, 2012, 05:22:38 AM »
no viewfinder at all??   >:(

it this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

You have the hot shoe to put an optical viewfinder on the camera ... just kidding. Do you think a viewfinder is absolutely necessary if you have a good display? I used a second hand Rolleicord and I found it phantastic to see the image with some distance - like a small print.


yes for me the lack of a viewfinder is an absolute deal breaker.

you should think canon as the market leader comes up with something like fuji or olympus.
but not another lame big sensor point and shoot.

no matter what fancy features are in this camera... for me it´s a letdown.
that´s not what i have waited for.

electronic viewfinders still suck in some departments (dynamic range for example).
but even a mediocre viewfinder is better then none.
i had hoped for an viewfinder like the one in the sony nex-7... it´s pretty good.

now let´s wait and see what the professionell model will look like...


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Rolleicord

imho that´s completely different to an LCD.
i have an old hasselblad and mamiya c220 and yes.. it´s better viewable in daylight.


 
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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #64 on: July 20, 2012, 05:46:51 AM »
no viewfinder at all??   >:(

is this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

i need a viewfinder.
not one LCD i have seen so far does a good job in bright daylight.
hell they are totally useless on a sunny day, or not?
im always searching some shadowed area to chimp or have an look at the histogram.

There might be an optional accessory - electronic viewfinder to be offered
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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #65 on: July 20, 2012, 05:47:13 AM »
maybe there is still hope that it is a pretty good hoax...:)

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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #66 on: July 20, 2012, 05:49:42 AM »
There might be an optional accessory - electronic viewfinder to be offered

maybe.. another 200 euro then.
but to be honest i don´t have much hope that this is the case.

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« Reply #66 on: July 20, 2012, 05:49:42 AM »

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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #67 on: July 20, 2012, 06:03:05 AM »
I like the design. Quite simple and minimalist. Just a aps-c sensor and a fast 35mm FOV lens. Done. Now what's the price tag going to be?

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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #68 on: July 20, 2012, 06:03:45 AM »
what i don´t get.. if i  look at the hotshoe (~2cm) and compare it to the lens.
the lens seems a bit big .. not?

it looks like an EF mount in size.

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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #69 on: July 20, 2012, 06:08:49 AM »
I like the design. Quite simple and minimalist. Just a aps-c sensor and a fast 35mm FOV lens. Done. Now what's the price tag going to be?

I also find it quite cute and small.
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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #70 on: July 20, 2012, 06:11:48 AM »
what i don´t get.. if i  look at the hotshoe (~2cm) and compare it to the lens.
the lens seems a bit big .. not?

it looks like an EF mount in size.

Hopefully it is an EF mount and the EF(-S)-adapter is just an extension tube which can be used otherwise and keeps prices down (hopefully).

Your remark about Rolleicord/Hasselblad viewfinders: You are right, they have an "automatic brightness control" by design, but on the Rolleicord I needed the collapsible shades and loupe very often in bright light. Would be funny to add this to the EOS M ...
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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #71 on: July 20, 2012, 06:17:13 AM »
Hmmm still looking forward to specs.  Very exited though.

No viewfinder.... perhaps this is Canon's entry level Mirrorless, and a possible higher end model will have the viewfinder?  Similar to the Nikon J1 and V1.  One had a viewfinder, the other only had live view.   I only hope for this, as I pretty much 99.9% of the time do not use the LCD screen to compose a scene.  Could that work against me?  Of course.  I just am used to using my original 5D not having live view.  When I use my backup 40D, I gotta admit, it does help sometimes.

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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #72 on: July 20, 2012, 07:27:25 AM »
no viewfinder at all??   >:(

is this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

i need a viewfinder.
not one LCD i have seen so far does a good job in bright daylight.
hell they are totally useless on a sunny day, or not?
im always searching some shadowed area to chimp or have an look at the histogram.

I think thats exactly who its aimed at, marketing will always hype these cameras as "an alternative to a DSLR" simpley because it makes them sound like a higher end product but the majority of the market is I'd say people who would otherwise be using a compact or a phone in a given situation.

There have been a few rumours of another higher end mirrorless latter in the year and I'd guess that will be aimed more at photographers with an EVF and more manual controls.

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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #72 on: July 20, 2012, 07:27:25 AM »

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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #73 on: July 20, 2012, 08:02:52 AM »
no viewfinder at all??   >:(

is this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

i need a viewfinder.
not one LCD i have seen so far does a good job in bright daylight.
hell they are totally useless on a sunny day, or not?
im always searching some shadowed area to chimp or have an look at the histogram.

I think thats exactly who its aimed at, marketing will always hype these cameras as "an alternative to a DSLR" simpley because it makes them sound like a higher end product but the majority of the market is I'd say people who would otherwise be using a compact or a phone in a given situation.

There have been a few rumours of another higher end mirrorless latter in the year and I'd guess that will be aimed more at photographers with an EVF and more manual controls.

Each mirrorless camera is also a possibility to sell another EF lens. It might be a smooth way for enthusiasts to walk from P&S to DSLR.
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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #74 on: July 20, 2012, 08:31:15 AM »

About the optical viewfinder: Not only kidding - I have a 35/70mm optical viewfinder and used it on my 20D (with a 8000x gray filter) and for fun. It is an interesting way to "compose" images. Just have to find out where I have stowed it away.

If you die-die must have a viewfinder, there are ready made solutions on the market for those who have used it for video:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Retail-270-VARAVON-Optical-Viewfinder-Loupe-UNI-for-universal-DSLR-/230757836847?pt=US_Viewfinders_Eyecups&hash=item35ba3d282f


There are of course cheaper versions as well as more expensive ones depending on your preference.  In fact, for fine focusing of larger aperture manual lenses, using this in conjunction with liveView beats any focusing screen.


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Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« Reply #74 on: July 20, 2012, 08:31:15 AM »