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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #120 on: July 20, 2012, 02:19:37 PM »
well it´s not a  beauty... but that´s not soooo important.
if you "guys" need some fancy stuff why don´t you buy a nice small handbag for your walks on main street?    ;D

what i find depressing is that it seems not only to look boring.. it is boring.


It still certainly has the potential to be better than any mirrorless fuji x, sony nex, leica x2 and any m4/3.  I wouldn't say that's boring. 

Well maybe it's boring that they didn't invent a new autofocus system that would allow for small full frame autofocus lenses (a la the old Contax G?)  The fact that it is not wildly aesthetically overbuilt like a leica m9 means it will be lighter and less expensive?


well i have quoted above that one source says the nex 7 is a better camera.
a stronger competition to the m43 cameras.



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The sources also told us that the first camera feels a bit cheap in your hands. And according to them it’s not a m43 killer camera. Quite the opposite. The NEX cameras are still better in doing competition to m43 cameras. Overalla Nikon and Canon had a very cautious way of entering the mirrorless world. One more thing: A more advanced Canon (and Nikon) camera will arrive in a few months only.


http://www.43rumors.com/
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #120 on: July 20, 2012, 02:19:37 PM »

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« Reply #121 on: July 20, 2012, 02:19:43 PM »
I took the images off Canonpricewatch.com, Sensor size is the same as G1X. Height is 64.6mm, Width is 106.2mm, 28.8 thick. 3" screen, normal hotshoe size. Almost same size and Nikon J1 with 10mm..

Attached is everything resized to actual size at 300dpi. Enjoy, check my math, all done of 43mm lens cap.

if it's G1X sensor then i think it does lose it's appeal for my purposes.  I don't want to have to have both a dslr and m43 equivalent.  I'm one of the holdouts that want something in between.   I guess i'd be keeping my x pro 1.

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #122 on: July 20, 2012, 02:23:14 PM »
well i have qouted above that one source says the nex 7 is a better camera.

Better is subjective.  The sony probably still has a better sensor even if the canon is aps-c. 

Better for me would mean it would have more prime lenses and phase detect autofocus even if the sensor is not as good. 

Based on Daniel Koons calc - if it is g1x/m43 sized then the sony sounds "better"  though.

Oh  I just saw your other source.  OK so it's a m43 competitor then.
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #123 on: July 20, 2012, 02:25:00 PM »
If the 22mm lens fits on a T4i, then T4i + 22mm f2 + 40 f2.8 = great compact lightweight setup.

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #124 on: July 20, 2012, 02:25:08 PM »
so canon rumors sources are wrong about aps-c ?

well what a suprise  :D

ps: you are 100% sure you measured the lens cap diameter as 43mm and not the lens diameter as 43mm?

I have used the 53 mm diameter of the EF mount (if it is an EF-Mount in size - position is rotated roughly 15 degree counterclock wise) and got the following result: 21.5 mm sensor width, 1.45 aspect ratio of the blueish-greenish area of the sensor. If they don't have an insane amount of sensor area for other purposes it should be APS-C ... hopefully
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #125 on: July 20, 2012, 02:31:55 PM »
so canon rumors sources are wrong about aps-c ?

well what a suprise  :D

ps: you are 100% sure you measured the lens cap diameter as 43mm and not the lens diameter as 43mm?


I have used the 53 mm diameter of the EF mount (if it is an EF-Mount in size - position is rotated roughly 15 degree counterclock wise) and got the following result: 21.5 mm sensor width, 1.45 aspect ratio of the blueish-greenish area of the sensor. If they don't have an insane amount of sensor area for other purposes it should be APS-C ... hopefully


yep i think he is wrong. :)

22x16mm is my result.

given that the cap diameter is 43mm and not the lens diameter.
the lens cap does not cover the whole lens as you can see on the images.

http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/eosm4.jpg

that also fits with a ~2 cm hotshoe.
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Re: Canon EOS-M Sizes Released - Sensor size same as G1X
« Reply #126 on: July 20, 2012, 02:38:15 PM »
Let's suppose that the sensor is APS C and compare it to a NEX.

The body of the EOS M seems too big.

Other details are too big also. For example, the screws and pogo pins of the mount.

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« Reply #126 on: July 20, 2012, 02:38:15 PM »

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #127 on: July 20, 2012, 02:39:07 PM »
so canon rumors sources are wrong about aps-c ?

well what a suprise  :D

ps: you are 100% sure you measured the lens cap diameter as 43mm and not the lens diameter as 43mm?

I have used the 53 mm diameter of the EF mount (if it is an EF-Mount in size - position is rotated roughly 15 degree counterclock wise) and got the following result: 21.5 mm sensor width, 1.45 aspect ratio of the blueish-greenish area of the sensor. If they don't have an insane amount of sensor area for other purposes it should be APS-C ... hopefully

yep i think he is wrong. :)

22x16mm is my result.

But what, if it isn't a EF-sized mount ... from the images the inner diameter might be substantially smaller than 53 mm so the sensor will shrink ... to G1X-size? Oh no ...
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #128 on: July 20, 2012, 02:39:26 PM »
That can't be a 22mm F2.0 lens for APS-C since the objective lens is too small. It looks like a 4/3rds lens.

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« Reply #129 on: July 20, 2012, 02:39:49 PM »
Let's suppose that the sensor is APS C and compare it to a NEX.

The body of the EOS M seems too big.

Other details are too big also. For example, the screws and pogo pins of the mount.

you notice the mount of the NEX?

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #130 on: July 20, 2012, 02:39:53 PM »
Why so much hate on this camera? From first impressions, it's close to what we've been asking for.

Small lightweight body. I think it looks fine, simplistic, and friendly to the consumer.

APS-C sensor at least, thats good.

A small fast prime. F/2 is nice.

Possibly touchscreen that works as good as the t4i. Maybe.

Possibly On-sensor Phase AF. Like the t4i.

A hot shoe for running accessories. A EVF possibly.

Possibly a EF adapter if you really want to put a 200 F/2 on it. :P

Even better if the kit with body & 22mm f/2 is around the 599$. That'd be a hard competitor in the market.

I think this will be my little buddy in my pocket, if the price is right. ;D




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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #131 on: July 20, 2012, 02:42:34 PM »
But what, if it isn't a EF-sized mount ... from the images the inner diameter might be substantially smaller than 53 mm so the sensor will shrink ... to G1X-size? Oh no ...

i measured the filter mount (don´t know how it´s called in english) of the lens as as 43mm not the EF mount.

when i do that in photoshop the hotshoe has the correct size of 19mm and the sensor 22x15mm (+-1 mm).
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #132 on: July 20, 2012, 02:44:36 PM »
That can't be a 22mm F2.0 lens for APS-C since the objective lens is too small. It looks like a 4/3rds lens.
The glass size is about the same as that on the 23/2 of the X100; I guess all people's measurements are wrong because no one is taking into account the change of perspective caused because of the sensor being around 40-50mm behind of the 43mm filter ring

The proportions are definetly 2:3 so I am possitive it is a canon standard APS-C sensor

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #133 on: July 20, 2012, 02:44:56 PM »
If the 22mm lens fits on a T4i, then T4i + 22mm f2 + 40 f2.8 = great compact lightweight setup.



so canon rumors sources are wrong about aps-c ?

well what a suprise  :D

ps: you are 100% sure you measured the lens cap diameter as 43mm and not the lens diameter as 43mm?


I have used the 53 mm diameter of the EF mount (if it is an EF-Mount in size - position is rotated roughly 15 degree counterclock wise) and got the following result: 21.5 mm sensor width, 1.45 aspect ratio of the blueish-greenish area of the sensor. If they don't have an insane amount of sensor area for other purposes it should be APS-C ... hopefully


By my rough calculations the EF-M lens mount would be about 15% smaller than an EF or EF-S mount and it looks more like a regular 22.3 x 14.9 APS-C sensor rather than the 18.7 x 14mm G1x sensor.






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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #134 on: July 20, 2012, 02:47:30 PM »
correct msowsun that´s how i measured it too.

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« Reply #134 on: July 20, 2012, 02:47:30 PM »