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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #135 on: July 20, 2012, 02:52:15 PM »
Possibly a EF adapter if you really want to put a 200 F/2 on it. :P

If the shorty fourty is a functional body cap, can this camera be a functional lens cap?
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #135 on: July 20, 2012, 02:52:15 PM »

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« Reply #136 on: July 20, 2012, 02:59:47 PM »

Suppose that the sensor is APS C and compare it to a NEX 7.



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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #137 on: July 20, 2012, 03:00:19 PM »
Possibly a EF adapter if you really want to put a 200 F/2 on it. :P

If the shorty fourty is a functional body cap, can this camera be a functional lens cap?

An expensive cap to keep on your 200 F/2 while in its case. Sure why not? Always ready to take a photo with that beast. 8)

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #138 on: July 20, 2012, 03:01:40 PM »
The only thing I am worried about with the EF adapter is lenses like the newer 70-200 2.8 IS II will suck the poor battery dry in no time at all. 

70-200 2.8 IS II ??? 70-200 2.8 IS II ??? Why would you want to use a big/bulky/heavy 70-200 2.8 IS II on a small/light camera ???

Yes that is an extreme example but valid, ok how about 70-300L or a 17-55IS.  Given the saturation of this market the biggest selling feature of this camera has to be the proposed dual purpose.  You can use it as a good compact camera AND you can use it with your EF lenses too.  If you just wanted a mirrorless and nothing else I think it would be better to go M4/3 because of the availability of different lenses  or to the Fuji models for looks and IQ. 

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #139 on: July 20, 2012, 03:10:37 PM »
But what, if it isn't a EF-sized mount ... from the images the inner diameter might be substantially smaller than 53 mm so the sensor will shrink ... to G1X-size? Oh no ...

i measured the filter mount (don´t know how it´s called in english) of the lens as as 43mm not the EF mount.

when i do that in photoshop the hotshoe has the correct size of 19mm and the sensor 22x15mm (+-1 mm).

If I use the 43mm filter thread, I get 19-20mm sensor width.
If I use your idea with the hot shoe, I get 21.5mm.
Perhaps I should shut off my PC, cook some vegetable soup and go to bed (It's 9 PM here in germany) ... and wait for the official anouncement.
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #140 on: July 20, 2012, 03:13:26 PM »
Possibly a EF adapter if you really want to put a 200 F/2 on it. :P

If the shorty fourty is a functional body cap, can this camera be a functional lens cap?

Yes it can. In my opinion. Most of the time my 10-22 is hanging around with a non-funcional lens cap and I would like to convert that seldomly used lens into a lens with functional lens cap - to make it more accessible (I really don't like to change lenses all the day). I am dreaming severeal years about that solution.
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #141 on: July 20, 2012, 03:21:44 PM »
You have to remember the sensors rarely take up the whole area. The blue all the way around the sensor is not the sensor. If you measure edge to edge it would be APS-C, I included the actual numbers according to photoshop, ignoring the green it is definitely G1X sensor size. Zoom in check it out.

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #142 on: July 20, 2012, 03:22:29 PM »
The mirrorless doesnt look like a DSLR replacement. It just got Automatic Mode, Video Mode and.....some other mode. Hopefully manual mode but it might be some effects sth stuff.

and yeah anyway no viewfinder, god im retarded.

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #143 on: July 20, 2012, 03:22:46 PM »
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Well maybe it's boring that they didn't invent a new autofocus system that would allow for small full frame autofocus lenses (a la the old Contax G?)  The fact that it is not wildly aesthetically overbuilt like a leica m9 means it will be lighter and less expensive?

As much as I am a fan of the contax g cameras (I may still actually buy a g2 & standard lens) they are not as compact as the current mirrorless crop (full frame essentially) and the AF only works so well because of the seperate rangefinder optical path, which would add bulk to a camera that is supposed to be compact.

It's a nice idea but you would almost be as well with a rebel.

On the other hand if Contax ever came back with a digital G series camera...

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #144 on: July 20, 2012, 03:25:20 PM »
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The mirrorless doesnt look like a DSLR replacement. It just got Automatic Mode, Video Mode and.....some other mode. Hopefully manual mode but it might be some effects sth stuff.

It's pretty much aimed at folk upgrading from compacts, who want better IQ, but not more complexity.
I guess Canon see this is where the typical buyer is for this kind of camera, and if so I can kind of see their point.
Hopefully there will be a later model more worthy of the EOS name.  As the Rebels prove you can have it easy and have it controllable.

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #145 on: July 20, 2012, 03:36:59 PM »
so canon rumors sources are wrong about aps-c ?

well what a suprise  :D

ps: you are 100% sure you measured the lens cap diameter as 43mm and not the lens diameter as 43mm?

I have used the 53 mm diameter of the EF mount (if it is an EF-Mount in size - position is rotated roughly 15 degree counterclock wise) and got the following result: 21.5 mm sensor width, 1.45 aspect ratio of the blueish-greenish area of the sensor. If they don't have an insane amount of sensor area for other purposes it should be APS-C ... hopefully

yep i think he is wrong. :)

22x16mm is my result.



You are measuring the whole area, not the sensor. Zoom in and bright it, it looks just like all the other sensors, Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, mirrorless or DSLR.

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #146 on: July 20, 2012, 03:39:15 PM »
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The mirrorless doesnt look like a DSLR replacement. It just got Automatic Mode, Video Mode and.....some other mode. Hopefully manual mode but it might be some effects sth stuff.

It's pretty much aimed at folk upgrading from compacts, who want better IQ, but not more complexity.
I guess Canon see this is where the typical buyer is for this kind of camera, and if so I can kind of see their point.
Hopefully there will be a later model more worthy of the EOS name.  As the Rebels prove you can have it easy and have it controllable.

Exactly ! I hope for more advanced model. This looks like a consumer one. I dont mind if advanced model becomes a bit bigger - better grip for people with larger hands.

...ok so we know how it could look like. Any info about specs ?
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #147 on: July 20, 2012, 03:42:40 PM »
You are measuring the whole area, not the sensor. Zoom in and bright it, it looks just like all the other sensors, Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, mirrorless or DSLR.

we will see on monday who is right :)

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #147 on: July 20, 2012, 03:42:40 PM »

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #148 on: July 20, 2012, 03:53:04 PM »
This is what a 4/3 sensor looks like.  The EOS M looks like 3:2


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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #149 on: July 20, 2012, 03:56:12 PM »
I don't know if it has been noted before in the thread, but there doesn't seem to be any way to easily dial-in your exposure like on the EOS bodies (and by easily, I mean dedicated buttons / wheels). Even the S95 has a dedicated ring in the front to help you dial in aperture, shutter speed or ISO.

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #149 on: July 20, 2012, 03:56:12 PM »