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Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2012, 04:26:24 PM »

I need to replace my old compact (Canon S70), and now see plenty of good options ..... just a case of the physical size vs image quality compromise from Canon S100 to Sony RX100 to Panasonic GX1+20mm to Canon EOS-M?

The Canon S100 and Sony RX100 are the only two that will actually fit in the front pocket of a pair of 501s (my Yashica T3 FFFilm P&S just barely fits) If you wear baggies, than either the Gx1 + 20mm or the Canon EF-M + 22mm will fit, 'cause the NEX 5n + 16mm does :)

Hard decision.


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« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2012, 04:26:24 PM »

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« Reply #76 on: July 22, 2012, 04:30:05 PM »
Canon deserves a lot of credit for releasing its mirrorless as APS-C.    Even if one doesn't go for the initial offering, the sensor is large enough to support future models that may be more compelling.

But it all comes down to price.   Canon released the G1X with a nice size sensor -- a model I'd been waiting for as the next evolution of the G series -- at about $200 too high.  Pass.

Canon released a new 24 2.8 ef lens at last -- an upgrade I'd been waiting for for years -- priced about $300 too high.   Pass.

Now Canon is releasing this system and it could be useful and a bit of fun.  But if the price is too high: Pass.

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« Reply #77 on: July 22, 2012, 04:30:07 PM »
Please could someone clarify for me how this camera does phase detect AF. Is there some kind of technical white paper I could read to help me understand it? Thanks.
There is no white paper for a camera that is not yet officially announced.
Right now, the assumption is that the technology used in the T4i is also used in this camera, but its merely a guess.  It does seem likely that it uses the same sensor and Hybrid AF.  This means slow AF with EF and EF-s lenses, and faster AF with STM lenses. Likely about the same as a typical P&S.
Here is one of the better descriptions, but there is no white paper. 
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-650d-rebel-t4i/3/#Hybrid

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Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2012, 04:46:24 PM »

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While not addressing this camera specifically, here are two suggestions:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/07/autofocus-reality-part-1-center-point-single-shot-accuracy

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/07/autofocus-reality-part-ii-1-vs-2-and-old-vs-new

I find them helpful.


Please could someone clarify for me how this camera does phase detect AF. Is there some kind of technical white paper I could read to help me understand it? Thanks.
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Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« Reply #79 on: July 22, 2012, 04:54:45 PM »
I have to say, I really don't understand the mirrorless DSLR concept. Who buys these things?

Also - is there a reason why Canon does not offer 720 at 30p video on any of their cameras? I don't need 1080, but I don't want 60p for some shots. Plus I would think you can shoot more on a card at 720/30.
The concept is simple, its a middle camera between point and shoot and DSLR with some good points of both, and a few not so good ones like poor or no viewfinders.
So far this year (Thru May), $42.9 million U.S. dollars worth of mirrorless have been shipped.  ( http://www.cipa.jp/english/data/dizital.html )
So its a step up for P&S users.  DSLR sales are rising dramatically this year, while P&S sales numbers are falling slightly.  This likely means that many users are going for mirrorless rather than a P&S.

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Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2012, 05:05:25 PM »
Mt Spokane, I believe the units are in 1,000 yen. So ¥42.9 billion would Be about $547 million at ¥78.46 to the dollar.

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Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2012, 05:05:53 PM »
1. With any lens, it is not pocketable.
2. Requires company to make an entirely new set of lenses on a new mount.

What kind of customer is best suited for this niche?
The same one who is suited for a G1x or the entry DSLR really..its smart for companies because its still a small form factor that makes it convenient to travel, but you can milk customers for money on lenses in a way you can't with the G1x.

Maybe in 5 years Canon will actually have the mirrorless thing figured out and I'll be interested, but, with all the likely problems of a first time system on top of the usual problems for early adopters, I think it'll be best to wait and see how it turns out.

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« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2012, 05:12:31 PM »
I for one am very interested. My wife and I love the 5DIII and have thought about buying a second body so she could have one to herself. However, she finds the form factor a little large for her to carry around all day. The idea that we could buy a point-and-shoot sized second camera with an APS-C sensor that can utilize our existing lens has its appeal.

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« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2012, 05:18:01 PM »
Please could someone clarify for me how this camera does phase detect AF. Is there some kind of technical white paper I could read to help me understand it? Thanks.

Presumably, the same way the T4i/650D does PDAF during video (when the mirror is up).  There are several clusters of photosites on the CMOS image sensor that are dedicated to phase AF (and not used for imaging). 
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Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2012, 05:23:53 PM »
I'm curious as to what kind of fps and buffer size for shooting RAW we're talking about here. it needs to be better than the G1X.

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« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2012, 05:41:54 PM »
For those who don't get this camera, let me suggest that we may not understand the generational and cultural differences.

For old American guys like me, a viewfinder is non-negotiable. But for many people, especially the young, who shoot mostly with smartphones, the idea of sticking your eye up against the back of the camera is equally foreign and unnatural.

Over the last couple of years, I've often scratched my head at some of Canon's product announcements. But, I've also learned that they seldom get the market wrong. I expect this one to be a big winner.

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« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2012, 06:11:19 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2012, 06:27:17 PM »
For those who don't get this camera, let me suggest that we may not understand the generational and cultural differences.

For old American guys like me, a viewfinder is non-negotiable. But for many people, especially the young, who shoot mostly with smartphones, the idea of sticking your eye up against the back of the camera is equally foreign and unnatural.

Yes, there is a huge generational disconnect. Many older photographers scoff at smartphone photography. But PJs are winning World Press awards, and being published in the pages of the NYTimes, using an iPhone/Hipstmatic. Sports Illustrated is publishing iPhone/Instagram photos. Neither of theses publications are what you'd call "bleeding edge."

I'm older-than-dirt, so I don't hold my NEX 5n at arms length. I've adopted to holding the camera just inches from my eyes (elbows braced against my chest), no-big-deal. I don't think I'll have a problem with the EF-M. YMMV

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« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2012, 06:27:17 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2012, 06:29:31 PM »
I used to have a 550D/T2i, and if this is equal in image quality (and naturally if the lenses for this system performs great), then I don’t see why I wouldn’t choose this over a point and shoot or m4/3. I already have a Fuji X10, but the EF-compatibility of this camera would make it a better choice in my case.

The only thing I miss is a viewfinder. The other mirrorless manufacturers does have several models with different features (but often the same sensor), so that might just happen at a later point in time. I’m looking forward to it and tomorrow.

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Re: Canon EOS M Specs
« Reply #89 on: July 22, 2012, 06:43:43 PM »
No body IS.

I guess it was a given, but doesnt pretty much every other mirrorless out there have it?

Maybe saving it for the more expensive body, like Olympus did with the 410 and 510.

I know Im dreaming.  To me its just one of the obvious advantages of an electronic screen - you can see the effects of the IS working with body stabilisation.

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« Reply #89 on: July 22, 2012, 06:43:43 PM »