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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #75 on: July 26, 2012, 01:37:11 AM »
Let's be wishing for a $1500-1700 new FF with the 7D's AF system.
We may as well dream farther in the desirable direction considering price point rumor of D600 is lower.

As for the 7D's AF system, I had trouble with mine too, but it wasn't the camera or 100-400mm L lens, it coulda been me, thinking the group of AF points/expansion would work better for tracking small fast objects.  NOPE!
Now using spot AF with almost 100% hit rate even with that long slow lens.  Still use expansion mode for tracking larger subjects.
Play with it and practice, read the manual.  Unless there's a hardware problem, the AF on this thing is pretty darn good.  I've started catching insects in flight at times now, If I can keep the AF point on them (dang zig-zaggin' dragonflies!).  Haven't tried any of my Nik's yet to see if they can AF this well, but I got them for landscapin.'

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #75 on: July 26, 2012, 01:37:11 AM »

mathino

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #76 on: July 26, 2012, 03:47:54 AM »
Heres my question. I really want to get into full frame do I buy a 5d2 now before they are gone because its a great camera or wait for this potential new entry full frame. I shoot everything, and currently I make my 50 and 40d work but I just really want to have a full frame digital! I wonder how the new entry full frame will compare to the 5d2.

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in your case I would wait a little longer to see if new FF will meet your needs (in terms of specs and build). Im sure that even after announcement 5D Mk II will be available for some time. You should take a look at some lens as well, you have only one EF lens (unless you want to keep them with 40D or 50D) for future FF.
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #77 on: July 26, 2012, 09:43:37 AM »
Mathino thanks for your input, I do hope the 5d2s will be around for a while even if this next FF will be a few months from shipping after announcement. I plan to buy the new FF as a kit or the 5d2 as a kit. And I am very open to selling my efs lenses, but we will see since I plan on keeping my 50d for backup.
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mathino

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #78 on: July 26, 2012, 10:18:05 AM »
Mathino thanks for your input, I do hope the 5d2s will be around for a while even if this next FF will be a few months from shipping after announcement. I plan to buy the new FF as a kit or the 5d2 as a kit. And I am very open to selling my efs lenses, but we will see since I plan on keeping my 50d for backup.

Heh, same situation ;) I want to move to FF, can hold off (no rush for now) so I can check rumored new FF and decide. Ive got only EF lenses (except 18-55) so I wont need to buy/sell any of my lenses  :) 24-105 f/4L IS is a good lens for FF.

5D Mk IIs wont just disappear after announcement of new product (after Canon discontinuing it) - they could be in stock at various retailers/sellers. And new FF could be delayed after announcement - even months (see 1D-X for example). Canon needs to sell all produced 5D Mk IIs.
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #79 on: July 26, 2012, 10:24:29 AM »
I don't have a problem buying and selling lenses I do it all the time. And I guess I didn't know if the 5d2 was discontinued or not after the 5d3 came out, I never really paid attention to that. I just hope the new FF isn't gonna be less features or performance in some areas of the 5d2 and better in others. I guess time will tell.
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mathino

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #80 on: July 26, 2012, 10:41:15 AM »
I don't have a problem buying and selling lenses I do it all the time. And I guess I didn't know if the 5d2 was discontinued or not after the 5d3 came out, I never really paid attention to that. I just hope the new FF isn't gonna be less features or performance in some areas of the 5d2 and better in others. I guess time will tell.

My hopes are for latest (original post) specs for it. With design (and build) close to 7D, 7D AF and metring and remodelled 1D-X or 5D Mk III sensor - Im fully in. We have to wait a little longer. I guess that in 2-3 weeks we will know more  ;)
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #81 on: July 26, 2012, 02:00:46 PM »
I just want a 5D Mark II with better screen (3:2, 1040k) and better AF, Digit 5 and a new sensor. The larger eyecup would also be a bonus. I'm wearing glasses.
 

5D3 perhaps?
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #81 on: July 26, 2012, 02:00:46 PM »

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #82 on: July 26, 2012, 02:08:19 PM »
I just want a 5D Mark II with better screen (3:2, 1040k) and better AF, Digit 5 and a new sensor. The larger eyecup would also be a bonus. I'm wearing glasses.
 

5D3 perhaps?


My budget is 2500 €. In Sweden 5D Mark 3 costs 3800 €.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2012, 02:13:47 PM by M249 »
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #83 on: July 26, 2012, 02:46:52 PM »
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My budget is 2500 €. In Sweden 5D Mark 3 costs 3800 €.

Here in Slovakia 5D Mk II costs about 1919 € (some time ago one official Canon seller had it for 1787€). Mk IIIs are priced at 3099 € for body only. Ive heard that northern European countries have sick prices. I think 3099 € for Mk III is sick price (compared to US price), but I remember Mk II was priced similarly.

You have 3 options:
  • buy 5D Mk II now
  • wait for entry FF to see how it is in terms of specs and price. Then decide between - new FF and 5D Mk II
  • save money for 5D Mk III (price will go down in time)

All depends on how long you can wait  ;)
« Last Edit: July 26, 2012, 02:50:04 PM by mathino »
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #84 on: July 26, 2012, 02:49:26 PM »
I don't have a problem buying and selling lenses I do it all the time. And I guess I didn't know if the 5d2 was discontinued or not after the 5d3 came out, I never really paid attention to that. I just hope the new FF isn't gonna be less features or performance in some areas of the 5d2 and better in others. I guess time will tell.

My hopes are for latest (original post) specs for it. With design (and build) close to 7D, 7D AF and metring and remodelled 1D-X or 5D Mk III sensor - Im fully in. We have to wait a little longer. I guess that in 2-3 weeks we will know more  ;)

Weird thing is I'm really excited and look everyday for rumors because I want to upgrade so badly but currently only have a few hundred saved away.  But once something is announced I can officially start saving money from weddings and lock my sights on a real object.    I'm aiming for this time Next year to be able to afford a new body.  Now I just also need a few grand worth of glass.   
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #85 on: July 26, 2012, 02:58:40 PM »
Weird thing is I'm really excited and look everyday for rumors because I want to upgrade so badly but currently only have a few hundred saved away.  But once something is announced I can officially start saving money from weddings and lock my sights on a real object.    I'm aiming for this time Next year to be able to afford a new body.  Now I just also need a few grand worth of glass.

Same as me  ;D Im checking rumors frequently to find out some info about this kind of body. With EOS M rumors and announcement all chatter about entry FF stopped. Im glad that only for a while.

Ive already saved for such body - I can wait and check all info, previews and everything. Ive started thinking about going to Cologne and visiting Canons booth at Photokina - could be a nice trip  :)
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #86 on: July 26, 2012, 03:46:15 PM »
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My budget is 2500 €. In Sweden 5D Mark 3 costs 3800 €.

Here in Slovakia 5D Mk II costs about 1919 € (some time ago one official Canon seller had it for 1787€). Mk IIIs are priced at 3099 € for body only. Ive heard that northern European countries have sick prices. I think 3099 € for Mk III is sick price (compared to US price), but I remember Mk II was priced similarly.

You have 3 options:
  • buy 5D Mk II now
  • wait for entry FF to see how it is in terms of specs and price. Then decide between - new FF and 5D Mk II
  • save money for 5D Mk III (price will go down in time)

All depends on how long you can wait  ;)

Yes, these options are exactly what I'm looking at.  ;)
I have waited for almost 4 years now (sep 2008). I skipped the 5D Mark II and kept my original 5D.
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #87 on: July 26, 2012, 04:15:44 PM »
My wish specs:

-flash bult-in

-SWIVEL SCREEN (I don't understand some "stupid" words like "without a swivel screen is more solid......". OBVIOUSLY if you use your reflex like a toy is very easy to break it!... So who don't want a swivel screen can think at the same time that also with a flash built-in is less "solid".... A swivel green is FANTASTIC. You don't like it? Simple: don't use it!!

-CF card

-time lapse in camera

-continuos AF for video like the 650D

With these features I'll buy it immediately!  ;D

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #87 on: July 26, 2012, 04:15:44 PM »

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #88 on: July 26, 2012, 05:07:02 PM »
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-SWIVEL SCREEN (I don't understand some "stupid" words like "without a swivel screen is more solid......". OBVIOUSLY if you use your reflex like a toy is very easy to break it!... So who don't want a swivel screen can think at the same time that also with a flash built-in is less "solid".... A swivel green is FANTASTIC. You don't like it? Simple: don't use it!!

Well, according to original post design should be closer to 7D - so my personal assumption is no swivel screen. Reason why 7D has not swivel screen is weathersealing. I would rather have sealed body (to some degree) than swivel screen. Sure, for video and awkward angles swivel screen is useful  :)

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-flash bult-in

Built-in flash with possibility of controlling speedlights would be welcome feature  ;)

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-CF card

Im OK with SDs. Ive got plenty of storage in them.

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-continuos AF for video like the 650D

...and that would mean completly new sensor. I doubt that Canon would develop sensor especially for this camera - marked as entry FF. Unless Canon could somehow trick Mk IIIs sensor to do it.

After reading zour post/wishlist I think that maybe 60D successor will be aimed more towards you  :) But we will see soon, I guess  8)
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #89 on: July 26, 2012, 05:21:48 PM »
Yes, these options are exactly what I'm looking at.  ;)
I have waited for almost 4 years now (sep 2008). I skipped the 5D Mark II and kept my original 5D.

Well, Ive been looking at 7D and 5D Mk II. Each body has somethnig I want (AF - 7D and FF/high ISO - 5D Mk II). I can buy only one.

After 5D Mk III announcement I was excited to see all those new tweaks and improvements (AF, new AFMA, fps, ...). I even thought about getting 5Dc now and 5D Mk III after some time (when price drops and when I have saved enough). But as an enthusiast, not a pro, 5D Mk III would not earn for itself.

So, IF rumors are true, then this new FF could be ideal for me. I dont need high fps, but need reliable AF, good high ISO (at least something over 6400), better build and better metring then 450D (7D-like build would be nice).
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #89 on: July 26, 2012, 05:21:48 PM »