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Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« on: July 25, 2012, 07:32:47 AM »
An “entry level” Full Frame Camera
[NL] has posted a spec list of the rumored “entry level” full frame camera that will be announced for Photokina. This camera would take the place currently held by the 5D Mark II. It’s fairly close to what we have posted previously.

Specifications

  • Two different sensor specs received (thanks) for a ‘cheaper’ FF DSLR.
  • One suggests an 18MP sensor and the other 22MP

Other features:

  • Design closer to 7D than 5D3 (smaller and with flash)
  • 7D style AF system (19 pt) and VF LCD
  • 7D metering
  • Single Digic 5+
  • 3.9 fps
  • 3 inch LCD
  • 51200 max ISO
  • Below $2000 USD
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Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« on: July 25, 2012, 07:32:47 AM »

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2012, 07:53:20 AM »
Exactly the camera I'm waiting for.

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2012, 07:55:32 AM »
Exactly the camera I'm waiting for.

Same me! If it's 5d2 with a new sensor and 7d's AF, I'm in!
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 08:05:37 AM »
Exactly as me.

I will be happy with 18 MPx or 22 MPx - enough for me.

  • Design - my friend borrowed me his 7D and this design and size suits me
  • AF system - surely, 7D-type AF is very capable and all possibilities of AF modes are great
  • 7D metring - metring of 7D is on high level and would be a great upgrade from my 450D
  • FPS - Im not a sports shooter and 3.9 fps is enough for my style
  • 3 inch LCD - it will definitely be better then my 450D so its a win
  • High ISO - if it will be usable at little above 6400, then its another win
  • Price - under 2000 USD is fair price if those specs are true

If this becomes true product, then Im fully in. AFMA and C1, C2, C3 would be really appreciated.
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2012, 08:07:21 AM »
18mp would be cool cause its the 1dx sensor.

I would buy it.

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2012, 08:14:49 AM »
Exactly as me.


If this becomes true product, then Im fully in. AFMA and C1, C2, C3 would be really appreciated.

No AFMA and Cs disqualifies this in blocks.
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 08:16:14 AM »
18mp would be cool cause its the 1dx sensor.

I would buy it.

I know that its probably too early for any assumptions but

  • 1D-X - native ISO range: 100 - 51 200
  • 5D Mk III - native ISO range: 100-25 600
  • rumored new FF - native ISO range: 100-51 200

It makes sense to re-use 1D-X sensor in feature-crippled/slower/more consumer oriented body.
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 08:16:14 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 08:19:03 AM »
That is really exciting.  I'm looking for an upgrade to my 5D and/or 40D.  The only thing I suspect is that the $2000 price tag will be more like $2500 at launch.

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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 08:27:33 AM »
That is really exciting.  I'm looking for an upgrade to my 5D and/or 40D.  The only thing I suspect is that the $2000 price tag will be more like $2500 at launch.

-Brian

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 08:32:25 AM »
Exactly the camera I'm waiting for.

Same me! If it's 5d2 with a new sensor and 7d's AF, I'm in!

Comparing the image quality of RAW files from 5D Mark II and 5D Mark III, "new sensor" means pretty much nothing! Basicly you're in for 4 year ago's image quality with 3 year ago's AF.

I'm sick and tired of Canon playing mix & match with yesterday's tech!
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 08:33:57 AM »
That is really exciting.  I'm looking for an upgrade to my 5D and/or 40D.  The only thing I suspect is that the $2000 price tag will be more like $2500 at launch.

-Brian

Well I see your point  :)

Unless...Canon decides to discontinue 5D Mk II, lower the price to sell remaining Mk II bodies and then sell "entry level FF" for about 2000 USD. They wont sell too much Mk II bodies when this FF will hit market (with body build like 7D).

So I can see 2 scenarios:
  • Canon discontinuing 5D Mk II and selling remaing for less, they will get those money on new bodies
  • 5D Mk II not discontinued for a while and "new FF" for 2500 USD as you stated, then discontinuing 5D Mk II and lowering price for "new FF"

I hope for first scenario  ;)
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 08:47:15 AM »
I just want a 5D Mark II with better screen (3:2, 1040k) and better AF, Digit 5 and a new sensor. The larger eyecup would also be a bonus. I'm wearing glasses.
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 09:02:21 AM »
Exactly the camera I'm waiting for.

Same me! If it's 5d2 with a new sensor and 7d's AF, I'm in!

Comparing the image quality of RAW files from 5D Mark II and 5D Mark III, "new sensor" means pretty much nothing! Basicly you're in for 4 year ago's image quality with 3 year ago's AF.

I'm sick and tired of Canon playing mix & match with yesterday's tech!

We have seen a lot of comparisons between 5D Mk II and Mk III sensor. Sure, there is only a slight improvment in terms of high ISO in RAW. But I cant see too many out here complaining about it. There are improvements in other areas in 5D Mk III. The ultimate 2 things a lot of people complain about are: price and black illumination AF point. Price will go down in time and this AF point issue could be corrected via firmware.

But...for less than 2000 USD you expect 1D-X metring, 61-point AF, 8 fps (or more), new sensor ? Consumer (affordable) models are always about compromise. In time, pro features comes to consumer models...thats Canons habit I think.

...its the same like with cars: if you want luxury features, better (more powerful) engine - you pay for them. If you want latest and greatest - look for 1D-X or take a look at Nikon if they offer what you expect.
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 09:02:21 AM »

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 09:30:59 AM »
If its announced in PhotoKina then i hope stock is ready for just after Christmas.
News on Dynamic range seems light though - and canon does not seem to do so well there.
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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 09:37:01 AM »
Come on Canon, get the specs nailed down and announced.   I've got the FF bug and I'm ready to pull the trigger.  If the specs are what's rumoured in this post and it has AFMA, I'm likely in.  I do expect it to be $2500 and not $2000  ($2000 will be reserved for the new 7D). 

Otherwise, I'm back to the 5D3 but it's price needs to drop a little more to $3000 and I may have to sell something.

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Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 09:37:01 AM »