A Powershot update by September?

[powershot2012]

On the RX100, think you are referring to Clear Zoom which automatically gives it 7.1x and something like 10x if you drop it to 10mp.  This is non digital.

As for the Nikon, seems like it will hopefully be a whole new camera with a 1" sensor instead of the current 1/1.7" which is in the G12, P7100, and S100.

I'll be very interested to see what Nikon do with the 7200 as the sensor on the 7100 did not get rave reviews. If it's not better that the G12 and there's no G12 replacement in the shops by mid September I can see myself being tempted by the RX100 as if you drop the pixels from 20mp to 10mp apparently it increases the zoom range from 3.6 to 5.1x . I only just discovered that little tip. Better a camera with at least 5x zoom and 10mp than 20mp and only 3.6 zoom.

So thanks for the news, I'll be watching with baited breath.

[Gman]

On the RX100, think you are referring to Clear Zoom which automatically gives it 7.1x and something like 10x if you drop it to 10mp.  This is non digital.

As for the Nikon, seems like it will hopefully be a whole new camera with a 1" sensor instead of the current 1/1.7" which is in the G12, P7100, and S100.

I'll be very interested to see what Nikon do with the 7200 as the sensor on the 7100 did not get rave reviews. If it's not better that the G12 and there's no G12 replacement in the shops by mid September I can see myself being tempted by the RX100 as if you drop the pixels from 20mp to 10mp apparently it increases the zoom range from 3.6 to 5.1x . I only just discovered that little tip. Better a camera with at least 5x zoom and 10mp than 20mp and only 3.6 zoom.

So thanks for the news, I'll be watching with baited breath.

If that's the case then like I said, if there's no G12 replacement by Photokina I'll be getting an RX100.

[Dylan777]

I wonder who will be the first to stick a FF sensor in a mirrorless body. That could be seriously epic.

The answer is NOT Canon     .....my 2cents Sony, Samsung, or Nikon

[Gman]

Some further thoughts on the new Nikon P7700 which although having same size sensor as the old G12 has the new CMOS configuration, it has an articulated screen like the G12 and it is also has a better brighter zoom ƒ2 to ƒ4 28mm -200mm equiv.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/compacts/nikon_cpp7700

It's almost as though this was the Canon's own update to the G12! So I wonder what Canon have up their sleeve for Photokina (if anything) seeing that Nikon have seemingly stolen their thunder? What could Canon possibly do that could be a competitor to the P 7700? Of course they would have to have a CMOS sensor or better and a digic 5 processor against the present one. What about the zoom? 7.1X on the Nikon with an ƒ2 max could the Canon at least have a 24mm to say 180mm zoom to cover the wide angle end?

If and when Canon eventually surprises us with a G13 or 14, it would be interesting to see the two cameras go head to head on IQ and speed of use. I have a feeling it's going to be a tough challenge.

Apparently the Nikon is scheduled for release on the 27th of September so Canon could still bring out something at Photokina but I am left wondering what it could possibly be given the options that the P7700 provide. It's even quite a bit lighter than the old G12.

Anyone else out there got any thoughts on what Canon might do to really compete with the P7700? I like it a lot and apart from the sensor size I'd certainly prefer this over the Sony RX100.

[powershot2012]

If Canon goes with a 24mm lens, look more for about a 24-120 mm lens.

Some further thoughts on the new Nikon P7700 which although having same size sensor as the old G12 has the new CMOS configuration, it has an articulated screen like the G12 and it is also has a better brighter zoom ƒ2 to ƒ4 28mm -200mm equiv.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/compacts/nikon_cpp7700

It's almost as though this was the Canon's own update to the G12! So I wonder what Canon have up their sleeve for Photokina (if anything) seeing that Nikon have seemingly stolen their thunder? What could Canon possibly do that could be a competitor to the P 7700? Of course they would have to have a CMOS sensor or better and a digic 5 processor against the present one. What about the zoom? 7.1X on the Nikon with an ƒ2 max could the Canon at least have a 24mm to say 180mm zoom to cover the wide angle end?

If and when Canon eventually surprises us with a G13 or 14, it would be interesting to see the two cameras go head to head on IQ and speed of use. I have a feeling it's going to be a tough challenge.

Apparently the Nikon is scheduled for release on the 27th of September so Canon could still bring out something at Photokina but I am left wondering what it could possibly be given the options that the P7700 provide. It's even quite a bit lighter than the old G12.

Anyone else out there got any thoughts on what Canon might do to really compete with the P7700? I like it a lot and apart from the sensor size I'd certainly prefer this over the Sony RX100.

[Gman]

If Canon goes with a 24mm lens, look more for about a 24-120 mm lens.

Some further thoughts on the new Nikon P7700 which although having same size sensor as the old G12 has the new CMOS configuration, it has an articulated screen like the G12 and it is also has a better brighter zoom ƒ2 to ƒ4 28mm -200mm equiv.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/compacts/nikon_cpp7700

It's almost as though this was the Canon's own update to the G12! So I wonder what Canon have up their sleeve for Photokina (if anything) seeing that Nikon have seemingly stolen their thunder? What could Canon possibly do that could be a competitor to the P 7700? Of course they would have to have a CMOS sensor or better and a digic 5 processor against the present one. What about the zoom? 7.1X on the Nikon with an ƒ2 max could the Canon at least have a 24mm to say 180mm zoom to cover the wide angle end?

If and when Canon eventually surprises us with a G13 or 14, it would be interesting to see the two cameras go head to head on IQ and speed of use. I have a feeling it's going to be a tough challenge.

Apparently the Nikon is scheduled for release on the 27th of September so Canon could still bring out something at Photokina but I am left wondering what it could possibly be given the options that the P7700 provide. It's even quite a bit lighter than the old G12.

Anyone else out there got any thoughts on what Canon might do to really compete with the P7700? I like it a lot and apart from the sensor size I'd certainly prefer this over the Sony RX100.

How do you come to that conclusion? If Nikon can put a 28mm to 200mm lens on an almost identical size body to the G12, why couldn't Canon put a 24mm to 180mm or even 170mm mm lens on the same body, that's assuming of course that the next iteration of the G12 is going to have the same size body?

[MRLinVA]

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[Gman]

How do you come to that conclusion? If Nikon can put a 28mm to 200mm lens on an almost identical size body to the G12, why couldn't Canon put a 24mm to 180mm or even 170mm mm lens on the same body, that's assuming of course that the next iteration of the G12 is going to have the same size body?

not only that but Nikon have done it with a similar size body (slightly lighter) admittedly the viewfinder has gone but it is an ƒ2 to ƒ4 lens which is not bad.

I find it strange that there dont seem to be any 'reliable' rumours for a G12 successor - are Canon waiting to surprise us with a bigger sensor, a longer zoom and a smaller body, something between the present G12 and the G1X or has the G12 become the end of the line? 

[powershot2012]

All I can think of was something delayed the G12 and S100 successors even further given some recent introductions, especially the RX100.  This camera alone is impacting the S100, G12, and the G1X sales.  What could Canon do at this point to match or beat Sony?  They are going to need something besides their minimal upgrades, otherwise they are going to get lost in the crowd.

[Gman]

All I can think of was something delayed the G12 and S100 successors even further given some recent introductions, especially the RX100.  This camera alone is impacting the S100, G12, and the G1X sales.  What could Canon do at this point to match or beat Sony?  They are going to need something besides their minimal upgrades, otherwise they are going to get lost in the crowd.

Now they even have to contend with a Nikon, G12 lookalike, the P7700 with CMOS sensor, and a longer brighter zoom. They are going to have to hurry up or they will miss the boat with folks flocking to buy competitors better machines.
I for one will be thinking seriously about the 20Mp 1" CMOS sensored RX100 pretty soon! Surely if Sony can fit a 1" sensor into that tiny body, Canon can?

Photokina now only three weeks away!

[Gman]

Well folks it's September already, autumn on the way for some of us and Photokina is now only two weeks away.

Still total silence from Canon on whether or not there is even going to be a G12 successor. Was the G1X in fact the answer to a Powershot successor despite all those who said it wasn't. People complained it was expensive for what it was, others complained about it's limitations, not a lot of rave reviews and the price even dropped pretty quickly for a new camera.

So what have we had from Canon? Two updated Powershots neither in the same category as the G12 and the EOS M mirrorless which although announced will not be available till mid to late October. Not including the announcements of the bigger professional bodies.

I have talked a lot about my frustration of not having a G12+ whatever number the next iteration might be and the relative merits of what I consider to be the two closest competitors, the Sony RX100 and the Nikon P7700. I really cannot make any value decision until Phototkina even if there is a pre exhibition announcement. Because we might be in the same situation as with the EOS M, announced but not available until.....

I have seen the arguments against owning a Sony and do hesitate to buy a new Sony just before heading off on holiday JIC something goes wrong with it especially as it's quite expensive for what it is. I was reminded today of trying to shoot in sunlight with a non articulated screen and no viewfinder, all I could see was the reflection of my face in the screen and that was with a screen hood as well. So at this rate am I going to end up with the Nikon if Canon dont make an announcement pretty soon? In the meantime the Nikon wont be available till the end of the month anyway so no real assessments for a while afterwards anyway. 

Maybe the most sensible thing to do wil be just to take my old G11 on holiday and wait till I get back before making any decisions.    

[Aglet]

I wonder who will be the first to stick a FF sensor in a mirrorless body. That could be seriously epic.

The answer is NOT Canon     .....my 2cents Sony, Samsung, or Nikon

Pentax/Ricoh, Fuij

[powershot2012]

Can you elaborate?

Going on travel? Get the RX100 if you like, set it on Auto, and everything is good to go.  Far better performance than what you will find in the Canon successors.  Right now, Sony has the market and I don't see Canon matching the RX100 at this late the game...maybe next year.

I have seen the arguments against owning a Sony and do hesitate to buy a new Sony just before heading off on holiday JIC something goes wrong with it especially as it's quite expensive for what it is.

[Gman]

Can you elaborate?

Going on travel? Get the RX100 if you like, set it on Auto, and everything is good to go.  Far better performance than what you will find in the Canon successors.  Right now, Sony has the market and I don't see Canon matching the RX100 at this late the game...maybe next year.

I have seen the arguments against owning a Sony and do hesitate to buy a new Sony just before heading off on holiday JIC something goes wrong with it especially as it's quite expensive for what it is.

I have seen a lot of criticism about Sony's poor service record.

[powershot2012]

Guess when you buy a good product like the RX100, service records become second nature.

Can you elaborate?

Going on travel? Get the RX100 if you like, set it on Auto, and everything is good to go.  Far better performance than what you will find in the Canon successors.  Right now, Sony has the market and I don't see Canon matching the RX100 at this late the game...maybe next year.

I have seen the arguments against owning a Sony and do hesitate to buy a new Sony just before heading off on holiday JIC something goes wrong with it especially as it's quite expensive for what it is.

I have seen a lot of criticism about Sony's poor service record.