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Re: New Tilt-Shifts in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2012, 10:11:42 PM »
A new 24-70mm f/2.8 II USM would be nice. I saw on this professional-looking rumour site: http://www.canon.com.au/Professional/Pro-Lenses/EF24-70mmf2-8L-II-USM that they might actually be releasing one!

Nah! That's definitely a fake. A EF24-70mmf2-8L-II? In our lifetimes?
But seriously....bring it on!

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Re: New Tilt-Shifts in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2012, 10:11:42 PM »

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Re: New Tilt-Shifts in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2012, 03:37:35 AM »
Two remarks here:
- 24-70 II start shipping on September-October (at least, current statement says so)
- the sharpest Canon lens is 100L and I doubt TS-E 90 can beat that

and guys, as I'm looking for a new lens, can you please shortly describe (with photos as well) what you need TS lenses for? I can afford any of them, but I'm worried if I will ever use one...

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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2012, 05:49:59 AM »
I owned the 90mm TS-E for a year (and will one day own it again)...


And I currently own the 45mm TS-E, which I quite like (and got it to replace the 90mm TS-E because the focal length of 45mm was more useful to me in many situations)....



I think both lenses are pretty darn amazing as it is. Yeah, they could have the improved movement range, but optically they're great already. I'd probably NOT upgrade to the L version of the 45mm, and would most likely go back for the non L version of the 90mm as well.

Two remarks here:
- 24-70 II start shipping on September-October (at least, current statement says so)
- the sharpest Canon lens is 100L and I doubt TS-E 90 can beat that

and guys, as I'm looking for a new lens, can you please shortly describe (with photos as well) what you need TS lenses for? I can afford any of them, but I'm worried if I will ever use one...
kirillica - sharpness is not ultimately that important of a factor when determining the "best" qualities of a lens. The 100L might be one of the sharpest Canon lenses, but so what? What about other functionality? Like contrast, color, focus speed, durability, CA, vignette, bokeh, aperture, IS? I can promise you THIS though, the 100L certainly cannot tilt, or shift . :)

If you don't know what you'd use this lens for, then I assure you, you don't need one.

I used mine for some product shots, but also mainly used it for unique perspectives and portraits. But traded it (the 90mm version) for the 45mm version so I could use it for more things like group shots and environmental portraits. But I still love the unique charm of the 90mm. And I'll get it again next year.

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Re: New Tilt-Shifts in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2012, 06:15:51 AM »
Two remarks here:
- 24-70 II start shipping on September-October (at least, current statement says so)
- the sharpest Canon lens is 100L and I doubt TS-E 90 can beat that

and guys, as I'm looking for a new lens, can you please shortly describe (with photos as well) what you need TS lenses for? I can afford any of them, but I'm worried if I will ever use one...
kirillica - sharpness is not ultimately that important of a factor when determining the "best" qualities of a lens. The 100L might be one of the sharpest Canon lenses, but so what? What about other functionality? Like contrast, color, focus speed, durability, CA, vignette, bokeh, aperture, IS? I can promise you THIS though, the 100L certainly cannot tilt, or shift . :)

If you don't know what you'd use this lens for, then I assure you, you don't need one.

I used mine for some product shots, but also mainly used it for unique perspectives and portraits. But traded it (the 90mm version) for the 45mm version so I could use it for more things like group shots and environmental portraits. But I still love the unique charm of the 90mm. And I'll get it again next year.
trust me, 100L is excellent in case of focus, colors, CA, vignette and so on. and it's AF too :)

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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2012, 07:28:53 AM »
trust me, 100L is excellent in case of focus, colors, CA, vignette and so on. and it's AF too :)

There are lots of excellent lens equal to or greater than the 100L for use other than macro.

However in the way that the 100L is a specialist lens for macro then the Tilt Shifts are also specialist lens with capabilities that no other lens has. The top of the current heap for sharpness etc is probably the TSE-24 L II

The tilt-shift lens is very versatile, with a common use being :

shift - building
tilt - extending the DOF

Here is a recent one of mine (click on image for larger version)


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Re: New Tilt-Shifts in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2012, 11:10:07 AM »
The 90 TSE is almost perfect as it is, with the possible exceptions of the suggestions as listed above. But, they could really hit the mark by adding to the TSE line for product shooters, by making either a 135mm, 150mm, or 180mm TSE as well.
FYI, it's possible to use extenders with the TS-E 90/2.8 lens. Both the 1.4x and 2.0x work well, giving 126mm/4.0 and 180mm/5.6 equivalents.

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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2012, 02:00:12 AM »
A tele-end TSE lens would be great to the current lineup (though I haven't tried the 90 TSE, it seems like a lot of people have high regards for it).

At least it will be very helpful when shooting fireworks + bridge from faraway, where you end up with too many black space when using the 17 TSE and cropping can only do so much....
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Re: New Tilt-Shifts in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2012, 02:00:12 AM »

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Re: New Tilt-Shifts in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2012, 01:29:34 PM »
I have been hoping for a 45TS-E II every since I first got my hands on the 24TSE-II :)

Truthfully I don't think the current 45 is bad at all, I don't hesitate to use it when I need shift at that focal length. But the thought of an improved version on par with the 24 and the 17 makes me excited.

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« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2012, 05:45:35 PM »
@kirillica
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and guys, as I'm looking for a new lens, can you please shortly describe (with photos as well) what you need TS lenses for? I can afford any of them, but I'm worried if I will ever use one...

I used mine (24 TS-E) for the usual converging vertical corrections (In the slipway shot I wanted to keep the camera back level so as to keep the bridge pillar and the reflection straight,  the shift let me do this but also move the frame to the interesting area)..

but also parallax free panoramic stitching using the shift movement along a horizontal plane.. on both these shots  (Garrison House cumbrae, and Erskine Bridge pano) a wider angle lens could have been used, but it would have affected the image resolution, by shifting and stitching I was able to generate a much higher resolution image without parallax issues, as the camera back was always in the same position.

And finally I used it for the selective depth of field trick.  I could have used the tilt the other way to increase the depth of field, prefered this way to focus on a specific area, this let me focus on the same plane as the sloping rock in the foreground, where as a conventional lens would have only given me a slice of focus this close to the camera.

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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2012, 10:30:30 PM »
Indeed the use of panos instead of uwa lens is something which is often overlooked. Why get a 17mm TSE and a 24mm TSE when a 2 wide pano does the job better.

The 2 wide pano means you gain height by shooting portrait. A vertical pano using the shift function is another technique that can be gainfully used

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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2012, 11:19:55 PM »
Why the 17 instead of stitching? Time, I use the 17mm for a lot of work, my post processing time would increase dramatically if I was going to start stitching two 24mm images instead of one 17mm image.

I will happily stitch two 17mm images when needed, and I'll also happily use TC's when I don't need the fov, but one 17mm image suits me best most of the time.

I guess I can afford the 5 minutes for a stitch - especially as the quality and detail is greater than the single image

I regularly do panos.

With a 5Dc you will end up with a 30mps image from a 3 image pano. I have just done a 8 wide pano landscape using 1DS3 and 70-200 f/2.8II giving me an image 24180 x 4858. If I had done this with a 14mm my image would have still been in the 3:2 ratio and missed a lot of detail as it would have been 21mps.

OK that is an extreme version, but a 2 pano gives about the 3:2 but with about 8k x 5k with detail that blows your mind - and the d800 mps becomes small at the same time.

The bottom line is that instead of two lens and one 21mps body I end up with indefinite virtual lens and a very high mps body.

Stitching is one way of increasing the function of ones equipment


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Re: New Tilt-Shifts in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2012, 01:26:48 AM »
It seems likely that Canon will upgrade the TS 45mm and 90mm since Schneider has put out a 50mm and a 90mm, which apparently are superior to Canon's offerings. But they are also pricey (app. $3,300)!

I wish canon would make a lens foot for the TS lenses, so it would be easier to make perfect panoramas, when the lens would stay in exactly the same place and only the camera would be moved.

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« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2012, 02:17:45 AM »
I wish canon would make a lens foot for the TS lenses, so it would be easier to make perfect panoramas, when the lens would stay in exactly the same place and only the camera would be moved.

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« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2012, 02:17:45 AM »

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« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2012, 02:31:44 AM »
Two remarks here:
- 24-70 II start shipping on September-October (at least, current statement says so)
- the sharpest Canon lens is 100L and I doubt TS-E 90 can beat that

and guys, as I'm looking for a new lens, can you please shortly describe (with photos as well) what you need TS lenses for? I can afford any of them, but I'm worried if I will ever use one...
kirillica - sharpness is not ultimately that important of a factor when determining the "best" qualities of a lens. The 100L might be one of the sharpest Canon lenses, but so what? What about other functionality? Like contrast, color, focus speed, durability, CA, vignette, bokeh, aperture, IS? I can promise you THIS though, the 100L certainly cannot tilt, or shift . :)

If you don't know what you'd use this lens for, then I assure you, you don't need one.

I used mine for some product shots, but also mainly used it for unique perspectives and portraits. But traded it (the 90mm version) for the 45mm version so I could use it for more things like group shots and environmental portraits. But I still love the unique charm of the 90mm. And I'll get it again next year.
trust me, 100L is excellent in case of focus, colors, CA, vignette and so on. and it's AF too :)
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Re: New Tilt-Shifts in 2013? [CR1]
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2012, 08:31:19 AM »
I wish canon would make a lens foot for the TS lenses, so it would be easier to make perfect panoramas, when the lens would stay in exactly the same place and only the camera would be moved.

Canon doesn't, but Hartblei does (not cheap, though - but then, Canon's wouldn't be, either...).
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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2012, 08:31:19 AM »