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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2012, 01:47:52 AM »
There will be no big megapixel camera coming soon from Canon. It´s a joke.

First we see a entry level full frame camera.

Canon tested full frames with 26, 28, 30 and 40 megapixels in the last years, but decided against an put th 18 and 22 megapixel sensor on the market.

If you want to shoot landscapes use the 1 DS Mark III, it beats the D800E. Second choice for landscapes is the 5D Mark III.

If you have long lenses and want to shoot sports, action and wildlife get the 1D X.

If you dont want invest in longer lenses use the 1D Mark IV.

If you want a multipurpose camera for all (but in all not the best) get the 5D Mark III.

Concern if you talk about big megapixel cameras that the photographer is it who gets the shot. Most of the world famous photographers do their job with a 1 Ds Mark III and get outstanding pictures.

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« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2012, 01:47:52 AM »

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« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2012, 02:02:51 AM »

You'd shoot a wedding with a 1Ds3?  Haha, ok, good luck.  Better bring a ton of portable lighting.

In the UK flash is fine for weddings, except during the actual ceremony. Coming back down the aisle afterwards makes for a classic 2 stand picture

I always shoot with flash, and yes the 1DS3 works very well. But of course the backup body needs to be good in low light for those times. Flash is needed both for sunny and dull days

I did my last wedding with about 80% 1DS3 and 20% 5D2. The 1Ds3 AF point metering really makes a difference in reducing the number of missed exposure shots.

I think having a 1DX as the main body and the 1Ds3 as the backup/portraits will make a great pair

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« Reply #62 on: August 06, 2012, 03:36:57 AM »
If Canon do splitting (once again) between pro-journalists and pro-studio shooters and produce 35+ Mpix camera, then:
- if it will have improved noise, DR and priced up to 1DX price - then I'll buy one
- if it will be 5Dm2/3 only with small pixel size - no matter the cost - I won't buy it

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« Reply #63 on: August 06, 2012, 04:58:17 AM »
I just hope they release something.  Luckily, it will bring down the price of 5DIII (even second hand) to my "acceptable" level (dependent on my pocket).  :)

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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #64 on: August 06, 2012, 05:15:26 AM »
How about this post regarding a big megapixel camera.....


http://www.*********.com/rumor-canons-medium-format-camera-tidbits-and-maybe-no-pro-i/


Medium format camera using EF lens....

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« Reply #65 on: August 06, 2012, 06:49:32 AM »
How about this post regarding a big megapixel camera.....


http://www.*********.com/rumor-canons-medium-format-camera-tidbits-and-maybe-no-pro-i/


Medium format camera using EF lens....

Sure, if you use the EF-17 TS/E.

Otherwise none of the lenses create a big enough circle of light to cover such a sensor.

FF crop mode.
nikon can do it with DX on FX bodys... so sure canon could do it with a MF body.

they only write you can use EF lenses on that MF body.
not that EF lenses are the prefered lenses.

so i guess it will be a new EF-MF mount that CAN take current EF lenses.

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« Reply #66 on: August 06, 2012, 09:41:20 AM »
I really hope Canon is not coming up a camera this time just packing more pixels into the 35mm die with its existing technology ... what Nikon has really stolen the show this time is setting a new trend by providing Studio/FineArt/Fashion/Landscape photographers a very cheap alternative to entry level digital Medium Format camera ... which caught the world by storm!

So ... whatever Canon is coming up ... Canon needs to make a camera that excels in all Quality Aspects ... that is in terms of Dynamic Range (> 15 stops), Colour Fidelity (16bits), and very Low Noise ... and ... of 'cos plus all those 5D mkIII features .... in order to compete!!!

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« Reply #66 on: August 06, 2012, 09:41:20 AM »

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« Reply #67 on: August 06, 2012, 09:42:48 AM »
I thought we were over the Pixel Wars?  There must be a market for this sensor, or else why bother.  I would settle for a full frame 15-20Mpix that can shoot in the dark at say... 500,000 ISO.  I think most consumers (90% guesstimate) and many professionals (70% guesstimate) would be satisfied with this sensor spec.

There is more than just the sensor to consider.  There is the glass, storage, file handling just to name a few big ones.  Not being a physics pro, I do hear there is a light wave issue with small apertures resolving onto large sensors - in that you waste space on the sensor.  (I will let a more knowledgeable person explain it.)

I would bet the driving force for these high pixel counts can be traced to asteroid mining  (LOL - don't get me started).  I guess you would need these pixels for cropping and isolating a subject/target without loosing detail.  If NASA or any other space program can put good glass in front of this sensor, they could pull down some great space shots.   I think it's use is questionable for us terrestrial shooters.
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« Reply #68 on: August 06, 2012, 10:04:59 AM »
I thought we were over the Pixel Wars?  There must be a market for this sensor, or else why bother.  I would settle for a full frame 15-20Mpix that can shoot in the dark at say... 500,000 ISO.  I think most consumers (90% guesstimate) and many professionals (70% guesstimate) would be satisfied with this sensor spec.

There is more than just the sensor to consider.  There is the glass, storage, file handling just to name a few big ones.  Not being a physics pro, I do hear there is a light wave issue with small apertures resolving onto large sensors - in that you waste space on the sensor.  (I will let a more knowledgeable person explain it.)

I would bet the driving force for these high pixel counts can be traced to asteroid mining  (LOL - don't get me started).  I guess you would need these pixels for cropping and isolating a subject/target without loosing detail.  If NASA or any other space program can put good glass in front of this sensor, they could pull down some great space shots.   I think it's use is questionable for us terrestrial shooters.

I rarely shoot at over iso400 so a camera that shoots at iso 500,000 is of no interest at all. The MF shooters have been using 40+mp for some time - OK for large prints.

It is the quality of the image that counts

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« Reply #69 on: August 06, 2012, 10:33:41 AM »
I am at the opposite end.  My last vacation, about half the photos were at ISO-800, outside, under a forest canopy or in a wetlands area.  If I could have gone to 1600, there would be too much grain on the old Rebel XS.  All the photos needed exposure boost in Lightroom, but were salvageable.  If I had a T4i or a 5D MkIII, I would have no problems.  (I'm working on that solution...)



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« Reply #70 on: August 06, 2012, 10:58:15 AM »
I am at the opposite end.  My last vacation, about half the photos were at ISO-800, outside, under a forest canopy or in a wetlands area.  If I could have gone to 1600, there would be too much grain on the old Rebel XS.  All the photos needed exposure boost in Lightroom, but were salvageable.  If I had a T4i or a 5D MkIII, I would have no problems.  (I'm working on that solution...)
Err, are you thinking that a T4i will give the same result as an 5D MkIII on the same high ISO setting? Think again, my dear chap...
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« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2012, 11:12:31 AM »
Guys, I own the D800 and am a FORMER OWNER of the 5d2. What the extra MPs has meant for me:

1) Better IQ
2) Better technique required b/c of hand-holding issues
3) Better ability to crop
4) Better DR and really, better high ISO performance (vs. the 5d2)
5) Ridiculously large files
6) Average FPS but with Nikon's awesome AF it's a wash
7) Slower write times when shooting burst of images

--I love the D800, just as I loved the 5d2. IF the 5d3 had been cheaper AND fixed the banding-- it would've been choice #1 by a slim margin. I wasn't married to Canon, but getting rid of my 35/1.4L felt like a painful divorce. BTW, I will not be replacing it with the 35/1.4 af-s. I may opt for the 28/1.8 ($1,000 cheaper and painfully sharp)

I only wanted D800 for landscape shooting--which is my forte, and honestly Nikon has the UWA lens advantages for now. Canon really disappointed me with the 5d3 specs, as I felt certain that they could have done better with price and banding issues. MP count of 22 would've been alright, also.

Canon needs to improve its sensor design to accommodate increased read noise from more resolution. I know I will eventually buy into the Canon system again because, as a whole, it is more robust (and arguably better) than nikon. I'll always be a Canon fan, but Nikon made the DSLR I wanted this generation. Happy shooting to all
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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2012, 11:30:36 AM »
Err, are you thinking that a T4i will give the same result as an 5D MkIII on the same high ISO setting? Think again, my dear chap...
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I am not comparing those two against each other, but against the Rebel XS.  I only want middle ISO, not High, and anything has to be better than the XS' high ISO of 1600.

This thread is starting degenerate with Nikon speak as well...  OH!
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« Reply #73 on: August 06, 2012, 12:30:26 PM »
I know the product isn't out there yet but, it's a shame how Canon holds back on what their loyal buyers want when they (Canon) knows what is wanted. 

They claim one body is a flagship (1DX), holding out on what another body has (5DMK3) only to give their fan base what they originally asked for (more megapixels) shortly afterwards. You cant tell me they didn't plan on a higher MP body announcement after 1DX & MK3 sales peak.

I also know that Canon didn't force anyone to buy either one of those bodies ... but lets face it ... Canon plays games with those who keep them competitive in a world of serious competition.

If I were to stop at a Kool-aid stand & buy a hot, watered down glass of Kool-aid from a little kid, only to have them pull out a fresh/cold picture from under the stand afterwards .... that would piss me off!  >:(

What Kool-aid are you drinking?  The fan base, for years now has been asking for what they got in the mk3 - better AF, better performance at high ISO, and better ISO range - its pretty much exactly what the mk3 is.  The whining about only started when people heard about the d800.  And now there is this vocal segment who twist history to be what it isn't.  Nikon rolled the dice and put their big MP camera out before canon did.  Now, could you imagine the change in the field we'd have now, midway through wedding season if the situation was reversed?  IE, all us canon wedding shooters slumming i up on our 5d2's because we don't need nor want a 40 mp camera (at least canon would be smart enough to give it sRAW and mRAW so we aren't stuck with 100 MB images.

You must be landscape/studio, because that is the group that dislikes the mk3, well, or the hobbyists (and most of them like the camera but not the price). 
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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #74 on: August 06, 2012, 01:36:35 PM »
we don't need nor want a 40 mp camera (at least canon would be smart enough to give it sRAW and mRAW so we aren't stuck with 100 MB images.


Not that the resolution makes that much difference; otoh the x-sync up to 1/320 and  high rez/off center spot metering meter are endearing.
That battery pack that powers the strobes gets instant double capacity! Also the flash duration gets down, no more need for twin heads. At least the 1Dx + PWs gives me the same benefits.

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