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Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2012, 03:44:21 PM »
One thing is for sure, Canon don't have the wiggle room in marketing terms versus Nikon when it comes to these rumoured 'budget' full frame cameras.  They're kind of stuck with using the same 22MP sensor as the 5D MkIII, so there will have to be quite a bit of 'dumbing down' of the rest of the specifications to justify it's position below the 5D MkIII. 

What you're going to be looking at is probably the 60D body with a bigger prism (possibly retaining the flash) with the 7D af system.  They might try and incorporate a bit more metal in the body shell (like the D7000) to inject a touch of high end feel without going for a full Mg alloy chassis.  That's about all they can do without killing 5D MkIII sales; the question is will it be enough to go up against the D600?

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« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2012, 04:24:40 PM »
I agree; there's so many GOOD cameras out there that, as long as you're trying, you can take great pictures.

Yes, but good pictures had been captured since the beginning of photography. 
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« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2012, 04:41:56 PM »
I suppose theres lots of new 5d2's for sale in the world still, what will happen to them if canon introduces a sexier cousin for a similar price? Poor 5d2's. I wonder if they would kit a 6d with the 24-105L or not??
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« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2012, 06:16:25 PM »
I suppose theres lots of new 5d2's for sale in the world still, what will happen to them if canon introduces a sexier cousin for a similar price?

Those not needing a fast AF and sme newer bells and whistles will get a bargain on the outgoing 5dII  :)
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Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2012, 06:16:49 PM »
I suppose theres lots of new 5d2's for sale in the world still, what will happen to them if canon introduces a sexier cousin for a similar price? Poor 5d2's. I wonder if they would kit a 6d with the 24-105L or not??

actually a lot of shops don't have them anymore.. so they probably know..
and yes I guess that would be the kit lens

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Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2012, 06:41:36 PM »
I really don't see how you could make a full frame "starter" camera. Remove AF adjustments? Instead of releasing a new camera, why not just sell the 5D MK II for cheap?
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Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2012, 06:41:46 PM »
Does anyone know if the D800 is outselling the 5D MK III. Because I do not find any reports suggesting that.

I did see that on ZITE an ipad magazine that it had an article about Q1 profits for Nikon being either 5% or 5 million lower than what they had hoped for.  It didn't have a break down per model but something isn't selling how they had hoped.
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« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2012, 06:56:41 PM »
I really don't see how you could make a full frame "starter" camera. Remove AF adjustments? Instead of releasing a new camera, why not just sell the 5D MK II for cheap?

Have to agree, the tooling are already in place, perhaps just update the AF?

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Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2012, 07:52:18 PM »
I agree; there's so many GOOD cameras out there that, as long as you're trying, you can take great pictures.

Yes, but good pictures had been captured since the beginning of photography.
Yet basic novices have not.  Thanks for taking it out of context :)

"Yes, but" implies that you disagree with my post . . . so you think a new camera will make new, better pictures emerge, no?

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« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2012, 08:00:20 PM »
So it's going to be d600 vs 6d by christmas, battle of budget full frame :) gonna be interesting for all of us

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Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2012, 08:13:22 PM »
I really don't see how you could make a full frame "starter" camera. Remove AF adjustments? Instead of releasing a new camera, why not just sell the 5D MK II for cheap?

Have to agree, the tooling are already in place, perhaps just update the AF?
Thing is, there is a point of diminishing returns there. Canon set up the 5dII to retail at $2700 originally, and then dropped it to $2499 for a while. Now its basically going for $2000 every place, what price would they have to drop it to to compete with a D600? If that price is $1750 or $1500, you have to imagine there is a point where the margins get so thin that they aren't making money. Plus, there's the theory of "newer is better" in the camera world. A 5-yr old design competing with Nikon's newest is not the way to snag new customers.

Plus, if the change the body to more plastic, it can make it cheaper. Likewise, making use of the 5dIII or 1dX sensor condenses that part of production. Right now, they have to actually produce 5dIIs as none of their current line uses any of its features. A frankenstein of current pieces is probably more cost effective.

Basically, they can't sell the 5dII at $2000 for the next 3 years...but a 6D they probably could, even if its only the minor upgrades mentioned

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Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2012, 10:50:46 PM »
Folks, if it's a 22M FF at ~2kUSD, you might want to be careful. They're going to have cut some corners somewhere, and you'll be wishing you'd bought the 5DmkII for essentially the same price. Get it while you can.
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Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2012, 11:37:32 PM »
I agree disagree with those who say why does Canon not just keep selling a 5 year old body?   Because would you buy a 5 year old BMW when Mercedes is selling new cars for the same price?  Sure both are nice cars, but there have been improvements over the last 5 years.  I could almost promise that the 6D will be better than a 5D2 in every way.  Better AF, Better metering, Sensor improvements maybe?, Better LCD, Faster FPS hopefully.  Pop up flash.
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Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
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« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2012, 12:53:21 AM »
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We make the mistake of looking for a one-camera solution to our needs. Canon wants to sell us all at least two bodies.

Now that's hitting the nail on the head.  Got my 7D, waiting to see which way to go for FF.

nice.  what attracts me to the 5D3 is the fps and AF system, as the FF solution.  But if your FF needs do not include action, then 6D. 

I'm one of those who sees value in the high-speed burst, no matter what body you are using - so a 4fps FF isn't attractive to me.

what is the 2nd body Canon wants to sell to 1DX and 5D3 owners?    A high performance crop body comes to mind, but it would have to produce convincingly better IQ in distance-constrained situations compared to just cropping the FF image in post to achieve equivalent FOV, a scenario where the 7D just barely edges out the 5D3.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2012, 12:54:01 AM »
I agree disagree with those who say why does Canon not just keep selling a 5 year old body?   Because would you buy a 5 year old BMW when Mercedes is selling new cars for the same price?  Sure both are nice cars, but there have been improvements over the last 5 years.  I could almost promise that the 6D will be better than a 5D2 in every way.  Better AF, Better metering, Sensor improvements maybe?, Better LCD, Faster FPS hopefully.  Pop up flash.

Please - no pop up

Please - wireless yes

AF might be the 9pt

LCD will he latest

Same sensoring as 5DIII

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There has to be some differential between 5DIII and the 6D - of course it might be an APS-H version of the 5DIII ...  ;) ;) ;)
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