Canon PowerShot Pro1X [CR1]

[EvillEmperor]

The quite came from Canon themselves from a book.

[WoodyWindy]

I could see this...

* APS-C or G1X sized sensor
* Pro1-esque or SX40 form factor
* Fixed mount, L-branded zoom
* 24-190/240 f/2.8 - f/5.6 (8x/10x) equivalent range
* 14.3/24 Megapixels, depending on G1X sensor reuse, or intro of new tech
* Extreme dynamic range, possibly achieved through new sensor tech (pixel binning?)
* High ISO sensitivity
* Hybrid AF
* EVF
* High frame rate (5+ FPS)
* Full HD video
* $1200 MSRP

Where I'm including multiple guesses, Emphasized values are the ones I consider most likely. I suspect Canon is due for some new sensor technology, the only real question is what body they will choose to introduce it. I expect to see some combo of back-illumination, pixel binning, and/or full-spectrum pixels (ala Foveon). The zoom range and aperture are based on physics. The real lens values (if G1X sized sensor) would be about 13-130 for a 10x zoom.

[Gman]

If what you say is anywhere close then it would do two things,
1) make the G1X superfluous and be competing in a way with the new EOS-M
2) at the price level you quote it would no longer be a successor to the Canon Powershot Gxx line
anyway Canon already introduced a two Pro models recently they are called the G1X and the EOS-M respectively!

IMHO if it is really to be a Gxx successor it will be in a G12 type body possibly with the edges smoothed off,(love the EOS M design), APS-C sensor at about 14 to 16 Mpxs, same folding screen, broader zoom range, say 24 to 120mms I would hazard a guess at 8x max, it cant go much more than that or it will get too big and not be able to retract into the body. I think they might introduce the same touch screen as on the EOS M to get rid of some of the knobs and of course Digic 5 processor.

Personally the video doesn't interest me but I guess they will throw in the best available they can off without cannibalising the G1X or the EOS M I also reckon the price will be around the $600 to 800 range so as not to compete with the G1X.   

[moreorless]

If what you say is anywhere close then it would do two things,
1) make the G1X superfluous and be competing in a way with the new EOS-M
2) at the price level you quote it would no longer be a successor to the Canon Powershot Gxx line
anyway Canon already introduced a two Pro models recently they are called the G1X and the EOS-M respectively!

I don't think crowded is a bad thing for Canon in this second of the market, with the decline in compact sales/profit this is likely where a large amount of the profit is for all the big manifacturers.

IMHO if it is really to be a Gxx successor it will be in a G12 type body possibly with the edges smoothed off,(love the EOS M design), APS-C sensor at about 14 to 16 Mpxs, same folding screen, broader zoom range, say 24 to 120mms I would hazard a guess at 8x max, it cant go much more than that or it will get too big and not be able to retract into the body. I think they might introduce the same touch screen as on the EOS M to get rid of some of the knobs and of course Digic 5 processor.

Personally the video doesn't interest me but I guess they will throw in the best available they can off without cannibalising the G1X or the EOS M I also reckon the price will be around the $600 to 800 range so as not to compete with the G1X.

I can definately see something with a sensor size between the G1X and the G12, perhaps with a longer zoom aswell?

As far as a fixed L lens goes  I'd guess Canon would only go with this if they came up with a really prenium product and needed that extra push to sell it, say...

70D 22MP ASPC sensor.
24-70mm f/2.8 quivilent with manual zoom and filter ring.
Over 100% coverage optical veiwfinder.
Fully weather sealed.

[WoodyWindy]

I don't see this as a G1X replacement, but rather a higher model in the line. The G1X is the ultimate "pocketable" camera, while the Pro X is the ultimate all-in-one travel cam.

[powershot2012]

Agree, here is hoping Canon uses the Pro1X as a G1X replacement.  The G1X still hasn't developed a following as Canon expected.

I want one and I want it now!

however I have to agree with an earlier post:
'It would be weird to have both this camera and the G1X in the lineup at the same time'.
not to mention that it would be confusing to have a G1X and a Pro1X so close together in the lineup surely the X has been used too much lately and is getting a bit past it's prime?

[powershot2012]

Any release date associated with the Pro1X?

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<strong>APS-C Compact Camera?<br />


</strong>We received a small comment that Canon will finally resurrect the “Pro” moniker for a PowerShot camera soon. The <a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_PowerShot_Pro1\" target=\"_blank\">Canon PowerShot Pro1</a> was a very popular enthusiast compact camera that was launched in 2004.</p>
<p>The camera will apparently be called the Canon PowerShot Pro1X and will have the same 18mp sensor as the Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D and EOS-M.</p>
<p>New source, grain of salt on this one.</p>
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[Edwin Herdman]

A little late to this party, but...

The original PowerShot Pro used (according to Steve's Digicams) a "2/3-inch CCD sensor" yet this rumor claims a full-size APS-C sensor.  If so, this would seem to either require a very large lens to ape the PS Pro's 28-200mm (f/2.4-5.7) zoom lens, or it will end up with a focal length range very close to the G1 X or (to an extent) the EOS M, so like others I don't see where this one would be positioned, other than perhaps being a sped-up G1 X (overcoming that camera's very slow continuous shooting speed).

AND they are drip proof

Even the TS-EL lenses?

There is no such thing as a "TS-EL," but yes, even "L" TS-E lenses are drip proof.  The TS-E 90mm (for example) is not an "L" lens, but the 17mm is.

[powershot2012]

G1X is pocketable?

I don't see this as a G1X replacement, but rather a higher model in the line. The G1X is the ultimate "pocketable" camera, while the Pro X is the ultimate all-in-one travel cam.

[Gman]

G1X is pocketable?

I don't see this as a G1X replacement, but rather a higher model in the line. The G1X is the ultimate "pocketable" camera, while the Pro X is the ultimate all-in-one travel cam.

Of course it's pocketable! It just depends on what size pockets you have

[paul13walnut5]

My TS-e (the 24 mk1) clearly wasn't drip proof.  I would doubt any of them are.

L doesn't signify any specific optical or mechanical property.   Some L lenses are weather proof (like my old 17-40 f4l) and some are not, like my current 70-200 f2.8L.

[Vitruvius]

I would LOVE a new Powershot Pro 1X!!! I still use my Powershot Pro1 every day and I want a new camera but I have yet to find one that I would pay $600 to $900 for that is better than the one I have.

A G1x with an f2.8, 24-200mm 'L' IS lens and GPS would be AWESOME for what I do. And if it were a bit better looking would be a bonus too, like the Fuji X-Pro 1 with a fully articulated screen and built in EVF.

I know there is no 'definition' of what an 'L' lens is, but I can tell you that the Pro 1 has good contrast and saturation and I am very happy with the IQ for such a small sensor. Recently eveyone is improving the sensors and the processors but I have yet to see a well rounded 'package'. I don't need to zoom to 600mm. The G1x was very close but the lens is not that great IMHO. The EOS-M is all about being seen with it and looking cool and not about taking pictures. I don't think I have ever shot a picture with my Pro 1 with the screen flat against the back of the camera. So then the EOS-M would be useless to me.

[Gman]

If Canon doesn't hurry up with the G12 successor I can see folks going for the new Nikon P7700 despite nothing being known yet about IQ or the lens but it goes have a new CMO sensor if that means anything and it DOES have the articulated screen like the G11 and G12. It might not be a G1X or a Pro1X but it looks like it mights be in the 600$ to 700$ range so it might be an even better bet than a RX100

[powershot2012]

Actually the P7700 will be $149 cheaper than the RX100.

If Canon doesn't hurry up with the G12 successor I can see folks going for the new Nikon P7700 despite nothing being known yet about IQ or the lens but it goes have a new CMO sensor if that means anything and it DOES have the articulated screen like the G11 and G12. It might not be a G1X or a Pro1X but it looks like it mights be in the 600$ to 700$ range so it might be an even better bet than a RX100

[Gman]

Actually the P7700 will be $149 cheaper than the RX100.

If Canon doesn't hurry up with the G12 successor I can see folks going for the new Nikon P7700 despite nothing being known yet about IQ or the lens but it goes have a new CMO sensor if that means anything and it DOES have the articulated screen like the G11 and G12. It might not be a G1X or a Pro1X but it looks like it mights be in the 600$ to 700$ range so it might be an even better bet than a RX100

Not only will it be cheaper but it has a longer brighter zoom and an articulated screen just like the G12. In fact if you compare the G12 and the P7700 they are almost the same same with the P7700 being just 5% lighter. It's almost like a G12 replacement without a viewfinder. I think the only way Canon can top that will be with a 2/3" backlit CMOS sensor and a 24 to 180mm ƒ1.9 zoom!