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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2012, 01:15:18 PM »
Some people tested the f2.8 @ 135mm being sharper or at least similar to the 135 @f2.8 

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=945834

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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2012, 01:15:18 PM »

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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2012, 01:39:30 PM »
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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2012, 02:27:21 PM »
Some people tested the f2.8 @ 135mm being sharper or at least similar to the 135 @f2.8 

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=945834

Corner sharpness is where I find the 135 is better than the 70-200 II.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=108&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=687&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=0

Thanks for the link and yes it is sharper in the corners but:

1) We are splitting hairs now in a situation where OP already owns one lens...
2) The 70-200mk.ii has more contrast thereby rendering more details or making them appear more detailed.

the 135 f2 on the other hand seems to be more of a f/1.9 lens looking at how it over exposes slightly...
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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2012, 02:58:02 PM »
Some people tested the f2.8 @ 135mm being sharper or at least similar to the 135 @f2.8 

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=945834

Corner sharpness is where I find the 135 is better than the 70-200 II.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=108&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=687&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=0

Thanks for the link and yes it is sharper in the corners but:

1) We are splitting hairs now in a situation where OP already owns one lens...
2) The 70-200mk.ii has more contrast thereby rendering more details or making them appear more detailed.

the 135 f2 on the other hand seems to be more of a f/1.9 lens looking at how it over exposes slightly...

The 135L sharper, Cheaper, Faster, lighter, more discreet, more compact, high speed, low drag Prime lens when you don't have/want the space or weight to carry the much heavier 70-200L.

Its a good addition to any kit, including the one with a 70-200L. You could almost buy a 35L + 135L for the same price as the 70-200L II.

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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2012, 11:43:26 AM »
I dove in and bought a 85 1.2 ii since I could not resist the dreamy look it renders.

I love the lens... It make regular shots seem amazing sometimes. Contrast / color and Bokeh are among the best.

I do have 3 not likes....

1) AF is slow
2) Minimum focal distance is not as good as I had hoped. Yes it is a potrait lens, but I would have liked to take floral pics and I feel I need to stand back a lot more.
3) Too much barrel distortion for a portrait Prime. When I take head shots, the middle of the frame blows up like a bubble... PP will fix it but it is worse than the 50mm 1.8 in this regard.

But this lens can melt the background like few can...
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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2012, 12:57:40 PM »
maybe you are just taking the photos from to close a range. i really doubt a lens's distortion would noticeably distort a face at all. unless you run it up on them, but that's not from the lens. but that's why i like my 70-200 at 200mm or break out the 300mm for tight shots.

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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2012, 02:06:49 PM »
Have you considered the Canon 85mm 1.8 along with the 135mm 2 L?  You should be able to get both for $600.00 less than the 85mm 1.2 L II.  The 85 1.8 will focus much faster than the 1.2, you can still get great bokeh shooting wide open, you will have both focal lengths and an extra $600 in your pocket!  I own these two lenses and have not felt a need for the 85 1.2.  The 85 1.8 is also much smaller, lighter and easy to get around with.  Just a thought...
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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2012, 02:24:42 PM »
I am considering it... actually the Sigma 1.4 more than the EF 1.8 since the CA on the 1.8 can be distracting.
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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2012, 02:36:25 PM »
My 2 cents...

I own all three 70-200 VII, 85L and 135... 85L stays in the bag most of the time. The 70-200 stays on the camera most of the time and the 135 comes out for serious head/shoulder portrait work or street candids. It's the AF that wins most of the time and the reason the 85L stays in the bag.

For a really nice head and shoulder portaits... nothing beats the 200L f/2.

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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2012, 02:38:42 PM »
You have 70-200 for the range and compression, while I own the 135 and its a sexy lens, the 85 creates that look that the 135 cannot.  Also with the minimum focusing distance is about the same on the 85 and the 135, I can still get a better fov with the 85 1.8 than I can the 135.  I'd prefer to have 85 + 70-200 rather than 135 and 70-200.
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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2012, 02:40:05 PM »
I am forced to consider the 135 on the sheer weight of people who own it and rave about it.

Is the AF of the 135 as fast as the 70-200 mk.ii ?
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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2012, 02:41:02 PM »
You have 70-200 for the range and compression, while I own the 135 and its a sexy lens, the 85 creates that look that the 135 cannot.  Also with the minimum focusing distance is about the same on the 85 and the 135, I can still get a better fov with the 85 1.8 than I can the 135.  I'd prefer to have 85 + 70-200 rather than 135 and 70-200.

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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2012, 02:44:14 PM »
Your 70-200 is the bees knees for sure.  I wish I could afford that lens.  The 135 is 100% absolutely as awesome as everyone says it is.  Sharp wide open (how many primes can say that) and dat compression, but in reality the 85 has that more shallow depth of field and 85 is, for me, the optimal fov along with that shallow dof, creates a great lens.  The autofocus is slow, yes, but slower than manual focus?  Also, if you plan on using the 1.2 for anything else besides studio or you know you have the time to get the shot then you should be using 70-200.  If you've got the time to focus and get that shot with the 1.2, then it'll be a better lens.

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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2012, 03:39:46 PM »
Your 70-200 is the bees knees for sure.  I wish I could afford that lens.  The 135 is 100% absolutely as awesome as everyone says it is.  Sharp wide open (how many primes can say that) and dat compression, but in reality the 85 has that more shallow depth of field and 85 is, for me, the optimal fov along with that shallow dof, creates a great lens.  The autofocus is slow, yes, but slower than manual focus?  Also, if you plan on using the 1.2 for anything else besides studio or you know you have the time to get the shot then you should be using 70-200.  If you've got the time to focus and get that shot with the 1.2, then it'll be a better lens.

Again, just my opinion.

I am a hobbyist... no studio here... would your thoughts change?
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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2012, 03:43:30 PM »
Thanks Neuro. I have never shot anything below f2.8, so please elaborate on using the 3 stop ND, would I still over expose if I had the shutter at 1/8000th of a sec?

A 3 stop ND would get you back to shutter speeds that you would be used to using your 70-200 II outside in bright light.  Let's say that with a f/2.8 lens you find yourself at 1/4000s at ISO 100.  The 85L II at f/1.2 would require shutter speeds at around 1/20000s, which is beyond the limit of the camera, so the exposure is blown.  The 3 stop ND would get you back down to shutter speeds between 1/2000 and 1/4000.

Just my two cents and a question at the end:

I have the 70-200 II and the 135L, and for cost reason I went for the 85 1.4 Siggy after good suggestions here. To me I wanted both fixed focals, in addition to the heavy 70-200, as I see that there are situations where I need the 85 over the 135 (although the latter is my favorite of all lenses). For instance when taking pictures in a party/wedding moving among guests, where when using the 135 gets impeded by other guest walking in between you and your subject. I got great reccomendations on this forum for the Siggy 85, and I like that lens very much. However, I borrowed the 85 1.2 this summer (and somenone here told me kindly that I should avoid at all cost to shot in AI Focus, and to shot in One Shot instead, something I now do, having given me an exponential growth in keepers. I love the bokeh of the 1.2, and I think I will have to start saving for it, and maybe keep the Siggy or sell it.

Then my question: I found it interesting to read that on a bright sunny day, the camera must use a shutterspeed at 1/20000 of a second to get the right exposure and not blow it away. Is this specific for this lens, or would this apply to the 50 1.2 too?
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Re: 85mm f/1.2 ii or 135mm f/2
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