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100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« on: August 16, 2012, 01:24:50 PM »
 I would like to use one of these 2 lenses for wedding photography mainly. After reading ton of reviews it looks like both options are excellent and give good results, however I don't have time to set up tripod just to shoot the rings for example.  I never used micro lens so I'm hoping to get some advice. Basically it comes down to the price. Do you think IS worth double the price, also if you think I should be looking in to some other lenses please let me know.
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100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« on: August 16, 2012, 01:24:50 PM »

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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2012, 01:49:31 PM »
get the 100 f2 USM, really sharp, really nice bokeh, fast AF and 1 stop faster then the macro lenses. For portrati it is much better.
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PS I think it is even cheaper

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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2012, 01:50:01 PM »
i have the regular and i love it.  IS is not worth double the price in my opinion - not even close.

if you don't have a nice camera, then the IS will help out a lot more, but with my 5Diii I can shoot at high enough ISOs to avoid camera shake.  If there is shake, its because the subject is moving - and no IS is going to help that.

In terms of quality, the regular is unbelievably sharp - even wide open.  Maybe the L is better, but at that point I really don't think it will be noticeable unless you start comparing them side by side and start pixel peeping.

I know tons of people will say "oh my god.  you need IS." or something like "OMG, the weather sealing is a must."  but, IS isn't very useful at this length, and don't use your camera underwater.  if your lens does break because of water you can buy a second one and still be at the same price for one of the L's.

here is a cropped shot with the 1002.8 (@f/4.5) from a wedding i did last weekend.  it was handheld.
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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 02:36:35 PM »
It may not be worth the extra. I have the IS and its great. Bryans site say that it does everything better than the non IS (I have never used the non IS). I use it with a tube to get in even closer. In all its about a stop worth of shake and not the amount advertised. But you always pay a premium to get the best, as always with canon.

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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 02:43:01 PM »
I own the L 100mm macro. It is sharp at all apertures. It focuses very quickly on my 550D, despite the aging auto-focus system. I believe it has a greater no. of aperture blades, so the bokeh is slightly better than the non-L. I get unbelievably good bokeh even on a crop sensor.
The L series also frames the subject slightly tighter than the non-L. I've compared it to my 28-135mm zoom lens and it also frames the subject tighter than at 135mm!
You are not just paying extra for the IS. The L is top quality in all areas.
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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2012, 02:58:54 PM »
Depends on how close you want to get.  TDP states thall all macros need more light (up to 2 stops) as the magnification ratio increases to 1.  I never measured it myself, but it definitely happens.  Try your 70-200 with IS off for a typical ring shot (with typical ambient light levels) and determine what your shutter speed is.  If you're ok shooting at 1/4 to 1/2 of that speed handheld, then go for the non-IS.

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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2012, 03:10:01 PM »
I have the non-IS model and I love it, but I use a tripod for most closeups.  Bokeh is excellent on the non-IS model.  IQ-wise you can't make a bad choice.

If I didn't have time for a tripod, I'd certainly opt for the IS model.   If you are getting paid and the clients want ring pics, I think it'll pay for itself.

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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2012, 03:29:30 PM »
If have all the money in the world to blow for lenses, then I agree with what some have said about getting the IS.  but, with a somewhat steady hand you should easily be able to get sharp shots at 1/200.  If you're using a flash, then no problem whatsoever.  My main point about the IS and macro shots is that usually what is moving is your subject, not so much your hand.  If you're only shooting rings, then obviously subject movement isn't a problem, but bump up your ISO a little, that's one of the reasons why you probably bought that 5D.
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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2012, 04:17:03 PM »
I own the L 100mm macro. It is sharp at all apertures. It focuses very quickly on my 550D, despite the aging auto-focus system. I believe it has a greater no. of aperture blades, so the bokeh is slightly better than the non-L. I get unbelievably good bokeh even on a crop sensor.
The L series also frames the subject slightly tighter than the non-L. I've compared it to my 28-135mm zoom lens and it also frames the subject tighter than at 135mm!
You are not just paying extra for the IS. The L is top quality in all areas.

But is that RED ring worth double the price? I doubt it. If you need some weather protection maybe, but this lens isn't going to make you take pictures any better than the regular 100mm macro, just like every L lens out there, you pay for that premium and the RED ring, but it won't make you any better than what you are.

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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2012, 04:33:52 PM »
Hand held the 100L wins hands down.  The 50% premium I paid for H-IS, weather sealing and newer larger optics over an 9 yo design was worth it.
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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2012, 04:38:18 PM »
Hand held the 100L wins hands down.  The 50% premium I paid for H-IS, weather sealing and newer larger optics over an 9 yo design was worth it.

But you didn't answer the one million dollar question. Is it going to make you take any better pictures over the 100mm macro?

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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2012, 05:37:27 PM »
I've had both at one time or another. Neither now- traded for 135 f/2 as I don't shoot macro.

With that said, both images were sharp and beautiful. What I do like about IS, when handholding, is the steady VIEW FINDER. Makes framing something small and really close up so much easier. I never needed IS cause I always used flash or fast shutter speeds, but that "sticky" frame is really sweet.

For what it is worth, I always got sharper images from the non-L / non-IS version. But sharpness is crazy overrated. That word is thrown around too much IMO.

If I was running around nature chasing bugs I'd get the L for IS and the weather thing. If I was in studio/ more controlled environments, I'd save the money, buy the non-L and spend the rest on a flash.
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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2012, 06:09:05 PM »
I have used both.  The L is the better of the two optically, but by only scant margins, as the non-L is deadly sharp as it is.

Is it worth all the extra money... hmm.

You get a hood with the L, and I think the hood is about a $40 item.  You get a case with the L, again some cost with that.

The rest is the IS, and better build quality.  The non-L is not built badly at all.  The old non-USM one... er... not as nice, it grows with focus etc.  But the USM non-L is a fine lens.

I would not justify the expense on the optical quality alone.  If you can justify the IS... then by all means, its worth it. 

The only thing similar I have is the 24-105 (similar focal length at 105), and find with some effort and deliberate concentration, I get sharp results fairly easily at 1/40-1/60 range of speeds.  Keep in mind macro shots - very close - you're shooting darker due to magnification, and you also will show any motion blur more easily.

If somebody said - you gotta do the rings, but cant use a tripod, I'd use a monopod - which would be up to the task in almost all cases.

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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2012, 03:23:51 AM »
L has a tiny bit better micro-contrast and pop

maybe the IS could help for what you are doing?

the L is a little faster at the same aperture so it lets in a bit more light and has a bit less dof at f/2.8 than the non-L which also might be a bit better for you at times

then again double the price is a lot
and maybe other lenses are even more fitting than either, dunno

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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2012, 03:31:48 AM »
One additional thing to keep in mind is that with the new 5D3/1DX AF systems the 100 USM is a much lower class AF than the 100L so it doesn't have usage of as many cross type points, all the outer cross points turn into single direction with the non-L.

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Re: 100mm F2.8 macro vs 100mm F.28L IS macro
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