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Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« on: August 19, 2012, 01:40:50 PM »
I'm looking at either a 28-300 or a 70-300 lens to use with a FF body.  I use 70-200 f/2.8L IS that I use with my APS-C and I want to make up for what I lose on the long end.  I'd like your answers to:

1.  What are the pros and cons between the L and non-L versions of the 70-300 besides the cost?
2.  Is the zoom mechanism of the 28-300 as much of a nuisance as the 100-400 that I used to have?  Does the zoom range make it worthwhile? Is it overly heavy?
3.  I have the 1.4x and 2X teleconverters, would using them on my 70-200 be better than going with either 70-300 or 28-300?

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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2012, 02:30:05 PM »
Been doing a little research and looks like the 70-300 L and the 28-300 are both slide barrel zoom designs.  I'm considering the 70-300 DO, any experience?
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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2012, 02:42:34 PM »
The 70-300L is not a slide barrel zoom, it's a rotation zoom. 

I'm not sure having a 70-200L and a 70-300L zoom lens is the way to go.  If you want to keep your 70-200L, I would personally either get the 100-400L or the 300 f/4L prime lens.  If you want the 70-300L zoom, you might consider selling the 70-200L lens. 
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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2012, 02:46:16 PM »
The 70-300L is not a slide barrel zoom, it's a rotation zoom. 

I'm not sure having a 70-200L and a 70-300L zoom lens is the way to go.  If you want to keep your 70-200L, I would personally either get the 100-400L or the 300 f/4L prime lens.  If you want the 70-300L zoom, you might consider selling the 70-200L lens. 

Concur, although I would go for a 300 mm prime myself.

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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2012, 02:47:47 PM »
1. The 70-300 L is excellent. The non-L is very mushy at longer than 200mm - you'd be much better off cropping from your 70-200L.

2.  The 28-300L is nearly a twin to the 100-400 in size, weight and handling, although it has the mount gasket that completes the weather sealing. I like it as a walkaround lens on FF. Personally, I don't find the push-pull to be a nuisance - it's fast, which is great for a lens with a broad range.

3.  If you have the original version of the 70-200/2.8 IS, I would skip the extenders - it doesn't handle them well from an IQ standpoint. The MkII does very well with the 1.4x and decently with the 2x.

Assuming you have a standard zoom for FF, or will be getting the 24-105 kit, that would pair her very nicely with the 70-300 L.

I would skip the 70-300 DO. The size is great, the IQ is decent if you apply extra sharpening and contrast in post, the zoom creep is horrible, and whatever you do, don't even think about buying a brand-new copy of the lens.  Used copies sell for $700-800, I bought one used and after a few months, decided I didn't like it, and sold it for the same amount I paid.
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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2012, 03:09:16 PM »
I use my 7D when I'm focal length limited and my 5D MK II for all around shooting.  I do have a 100-400mm L but it usually gets used on the 7D.
I'd keep your crop body for times where you need more reach, it might cost less than a new lens, and having a backup camera is good.

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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2012, 03:49:02 PM »
Do you have your FF yet?  If not, you may want to wait, for two reasons. 

First, I don't know whether your 70-200 2.8 is I or II, but in my experience the 70-200 2.8 II (which I've rented) and 70-200 f/4 IS (which I own) are so sharp on FF (mine's 5DII) that crops from them at 200mm are sharper than the 70-300 non-L (which I own) is at 300mm and at least as sharp as the 300mm f/4 prime (which I've rented; not sure what to make of my brief, iffy experience with a copy of 70-300L, which at 300mm was sometimes marginally sharper than my 70-300 non-L at 300mm, sometimes much the same, sometimes worse).   Depending on how your 70-200mm works on your new camera you may conclude that you don't need a lens that goes to 300mm at all.  Ideally you could rent or borrow and find out first hand if you need the extra 100mm.

Second, if the rumours are true, there will be a new 100-400 within a few months.


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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2012, 04:02:23 PM »
Never make a purchase decision based on a rumor.  A new 100-400mmL has been rumored for at least 7 years, thats a long time to wait for a rumor to happen.
I hope it comes out this year, but I would never wait for a rumor like that one. 

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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2012, 04:12:42 PM »
...I would never wait for a rumor like that one.

Rumor?!?  Heck, these days, even a formal announcement from Canon is no guarantee that a lens will be available anytime soon…
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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2012, 05:07:28 PM »
Thanks for the responses.  I guess I misinterpreted the 70-300L zoom: the barrel extends but the mechanism to move it is rotation.  So it's not an internal zoom as I'm used to on my 70-200 f/2.8L IS (non-II) and it zooms like my 24-70 f/2.8.  I also shoot with a 200 f/2 and 100mm f/2.8 Macro.   I do mostly sports but it's time to expand my horizons.  I'm definitely going FF, 5D2, 5D3, or 1Ds3 and waiting to see what Canon announces for FF in the next 6 months.  I guess if I skip getting a new lens, I can get more camera like a 1Dx.  Do I get more camera or more focal length as I lose the 1.6 factor when I am shooting FF?  I will continue to shoot my 7D for sports.  Oh, what is one to do to get the right equipment in the FF world if one has been living for a decade in the APS-C world?
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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2012, 05:37:28 PM »
Oh, what is one to do to get the right equipment in the FF world if one has been living for a decade in the APS-C world?

Spend money. Lots of money.  :P
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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2012, 06:43:10 PM »
Thanks, but not really useful.  There's "lots and lots and lots", "lots and lots", and "lots" of money.  I'm trying to use the least number of "lots".  If I had unlimited amounts of money, I'd be on the GOP presidential ticket and wouldn't need this group's advice.  I would buy the entire Canon and Nikon lens lines and all 3 or each's top DSLRs.  Unfortunately, I have to watch my Benjamins.
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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2012, 06:49:49 PM »
Thanks, but not really useful.  There's "lots and lots and lots", "lots and lots", and "lots" of money.  I'm trying to use the least number of "lots".  If I had unlimited amounts of money, I'd be on the GOP presidential ticket and wouldn't need this group's advice.  I would buy the entire Canon and Nikon lens lines and all 3 or each's top DSLRs.  Unfortunately, I have to watch my Benjamins.

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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2012, 06:53:48 PM »
Personally my beginning FF kit would be a 5D Mark II w/24-105L kit lens.  70-200L II IS lens.  And a 300mm f/4L prime lens.  This being coming up from APS-C.  Why would I do that?  Because that's exactly what I did when I went to FF :)
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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2012, 07:01:56 PM »
My recommendation is to keep your crop body with either the 70-300mm L zoom, or a good copy of the 100-300mm L zoom for when you are distance limited.  Both lenses are great lenses with the 70-300mm L being superior in terms of image quality (IQ) and IS, but of course 100mm shorter. Personally I don't like the weight or zoom mechanism of the 100-400mm L.

Depending what exactly you're going to be photographing at the long end (eg do you need f/2.8, and will teleconverters affect AF too much so as to be a huge negative...), but yes - usually going FF and wanting 'great quality telezoom beyond the 35mm equivalent of 300mm' IS going to cost big bucks. I find 200mm range at the tele-end limiting for my style of photography.

That's why I'm so happy with the 70-300mm L. On my 7D, it's 35mm equivalent to 480mm, and is very sharp- definitely way sharper than the average 70-300mm nonL.. though there are even poorer quality L lenses around (eg SLRgear's test copy has IQ WAY below what most copies are).

The 70-300mm non-L doesn't have the same sharpness, contrast, true USM focus nor 4-stop effective IS of the L. Of course the L has a much superior build quality too- which comes at a weight penalty (though I can hold the 70-300mm L for hours matched to my 7D!). The 70-300 non L is a good lens for the price, but its not in the same league as the L. You'll need to decide on your own  'cost vs image quality' determinations.

The 28-300mm is an 'all round lens' - but generally I prefer dedicated / specific lenses for the purpose.  That's why on a crop I like the '2 lens' travel combination of 15-85mm and 70-300mm L, and then primes for other purposes. All the best for your decision, and hope you continue enjoying photography.
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Re: Going to FF from APS-C, need lens advice
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