Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]

[dlleno]

My real question concerning C or H sensor is how many people on here are actually using a 7D with ef-s lens'?  How many people spend that much on a camera, that much more for a 7D II upgrade and then puts $300 glass on it.  Make it a pro crop camera!  C or H, but actually make it a pro price point for the technology to separate it from all of the T series and xxD series cameras!
5D II, 7D, 70-200, L 24-70 L, 16-35 L, and a bunch more

You might want to look up the prices of two important EF-S lenses that provide key capabilities ,found in no other lenses,  for APS-C bodies at high IQ levels. 

an APS-C camera, as a 2nd body for pros and a primary body for prosumers, will be served well by the top EF-S lenses at those focal lengths.  if the camera is a 2nd body or used exclusively for its reach, then thoses S lenses do not have to be mounted up.   

An H camera would be a niche for BIFers for whom the S lenses would provide no benefit anyway, even if they did fit.

[dr croubie]

My real question concerning C or H sensor is how many people on here are actually using a 7D with ef-s lens'?  How many people spend that much on a camera, that much more for a 7D II upgrade and then puts $300 glass on it.

EF-s 15-85mm - $800
Sigma 8-16mm - $700

Those two together cost more than my 7D body. And the Sigma 8-16 on my 7D actually is better than either Sigma 12-24 mk1 or 2 on a FF camera. (And i've even mounted it on FF for shots at 15-16mm).
And there's a lot of people with the 17-55 f/2.8, that combo is half the price of a 5D2 and lens, and performs very well for the price...

Yes, I've got more expensive glass (70-300L), but I've also got a lot cheaper glass, most of my kit cost less than $300 per piece, and a lot of it performs better than more expensive lenses (i'm looking at you, samyang 35/1.4 and FL 55/1.2, among others)

[mdm041]

Yea I don't think this camera is going to happen.  If it does...someone in Marketing should get fired for giving out an upgrade to the 7D...

[bdunbar79]

Yea I don't think this camera is going to happen.  If it does...someone in Marketing should get fired for giving out an upgrade to the 7D...

Correct.

[CanNotYet]

One word: GIEF!

[funkboy]

My real question concerning C or H sensor is how many people on here are actually using a 7D with ef-s lenses?

I think the most common EF-S lenses used on the 7D are:

• 10-22
• 17-55 IS
• 15-85 IS
• 18-135 IS
• 60mm macro (often overlooked, very nice little lens.  I'd get one if it had IS)
• and probably many 17-85 ISs still running around out there too, even though it's not that great

Remember that a ton of 7Ds were sold with 15-85s and 18-135s as kit lenses (although they're still offering it with the 28-135 IS for folks that absolutely want a FF compatible lens in the kit).

Also bear in mind that the 7D replacement will be viewed as an upgrade path for 60D owners as well (and other xxD owners too).

[CanNotYet]

Also bear in mind that the 7D replacement will be viewed as an upgrade path for 60D owners as well (and other xxD owners too).

True to that. I see the 7D I/II as my next upgrade, as I have a 30D with mostly EF-S lenses.

[nicku]

Yea I don't think this camera is going to happen.  If it does...someone in Marketing should get fired for giving out an upgrade to the 7D...

It will happen ....  4 years ago nobody believed that Canon will put a APS-C sensor in a PRO level body with pro level features (creating a new EOS class) ...... and after counting 3 years of sales.... SUCCESS

Somebody in the marketing department gets a big bonus+ salary rise in the 7D case. 

[coreyhkh]

I am pretty sure canon made a nice profit on the 7D its Price to performance ratio is very high though it could use an update in the noise department.

[CatfishSoupFTW]

sounds odd to me that it has a higher MP count than 5dmrk3 and 1DX BUT more MP doesnt always scream a better camera. good specs though. diggin the 10 fps

[bry]

The firmware for the 7D was rumored way before it came out, they were probably buying some time, and not too sure where to go with that camera.
If a new 7D comes out, it's most likely to compete on the video side with the new DSLRs that are about to come out. The 5D3 was a bit of a disappointment, and the 7D is the right camera to finally get the video specs right.

I'm not surprised at all if the specs are better than the 5D3, the first 7D was better than the 5D2 in so many aspects, but because of the difference in sensor size, it will not affect 5D3 sales, at least not for stills.

There's A LOT of new cameras coming out promising way better video than the current DSLRs. Canon has been holding off on video improvements for over 3 years now, and if it weren't for the competition they'd milk it for as long as they could, but now they might feel forced to step up pretty soon.

[pj1974]

I believe there are many 'very good' (to 'great'!) EF-S lenses (and lenses from other lens manufacturers that are designed around a crop body).

The Canon 15-85mm USM IS is my most used lens, it's very versatile with it's zoom range, has great IQ, built well (better than the 17-55mm USM IS) and the USM & IS features are cream on the cake. 

I also have a high quality Sigma 10-20mm HSM lens (similar to the Canon 10-22 USM). The Canon macro 60mm is popular for some people (though I have the Canon 100mm USM macro, as I prefer it for reach & working distance).

There are other good EF-S lenses (including the 18-55mm IS kit lens and 55-250mm IS lens too).  For reach, I have the Canon 70-300mm L USM IS, which equates to 480mm in 35mm format. I love this lens... particularly what it can achieve on a APS-C. 

I've used full frame - put at this stage am staying with APS-C, as the versatility and cost benefits fit the right balance for me. The APS-H never really hit the mark for me... it was half way either side (in terms of APS-C vs FF).... though I can understand some (ie very limited) professional applications for a APS-H.

Love live the 7D... and here's hoping to some nice improvements in the 7DmkII... which will stay APS-C by the way!   

Regards,

Paul

[unfocused]

I believe there are many 'very good' (to 'great'!) EF-S lenses (and lenses from other lens manufacturers that are designed around a crop body).

The Canon 15-85mm USM IS is my most used lens, it's very versatile with it's zoom range, has great IQ, built well (better than the 17-55mm USM IS) and the USM & IS features are cream on the cake...

...For reach, I have the Canon 70-300mm L USM IS, which equates to 480mm in 35mm format. I love this lens... particularly what it can achieve on a APS-C.  ...

...Love live the 7D... and here's hoping to some nice improvements in the 7DmkII... which will stay APS-C by the way!   

Regards,

Paul

Paul raised a good point. When the 70-300 "L" was introduced, Canon very clearly marketed it to APS-C cameras (as well as full frame). Same (but less successfully) with the 8-15 Fisheye. If anyone goes back and looks at the announcements of these lenses, it was clear that they were being marketed both for full frame and 7D owners.

[AnselA]

great job - I don't want to imagine what mine would look like. 

[Richard8971]

I am not sure why so many people out there think that unless your lenses are white or have a red stripe around the end of the barrel that they suck.

I have the 7D and I have used and currently own EF-s lenses. One of my favorites that I will never get rid of is my 60mm EF-s macro. Note, I also own the 100mm EF macro and if I had to choose one I would keep the 60 over the 100. It is light, easy to use and extremely sharp. I love using it for macro work as the DOF is greater than the 100mm and 180mm, something i find very useful in 1:1 macro photography.

Now, if you choose not to use EF-s lenses than so be it. But Canon has proven that they are going to continue to support the EF-s format for a quite a long time and I have no reason to believe that they are going to make the 7D2 APS-H or even FF. It does NOT make for a good marketing choice.

Don't think Canon cares about customers and their needs in hoping to upgrade? Belive it or not, thousands of current 7D customers currently own and use EF-s lenses and Canon WILL target those people if and when they release an upgrade. Heck part of the beauty of upgrading TO the 7D was BECAUSE many Xti, 40D, 50D, Xsi, T1i, etc... owners HAD EF-s lenses!

The 7D2 will remain APS-C and will remain the top choice APS-C camera body. However, I DO believe that Canon will hold off on the 7D2 for a while longer for two reasons, they 1) hope to release a 5D2 replacement soon and 2) hope to intoduce a large MP FF to the mix. The V2 firmware upgrade was to keep current 7D owners happy until that time.

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Photo was taken with the 7D w EF-s 60mm macro, hand held.