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Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« on: August 20, 2012, 12:56:10 PM »
new 5D2 - $1900, used 1Ds3 - $2500, new 5D3 - $3200

IF want to have a full frame body now rather than wait for what Canon may announce later, what are the merits of the 3 above?  I can compare the specs directly but I'd appreciate this group's vast experience to provide insight beyond specs.

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Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2012, 01:09:11 PM »
1Ds3:  Unusable above ISO 800ish.  Superb ISO 50-200.  Not a low-light camera and old tech.
5D2:  Great range, poor AF system.  Good IQ up through ISO 6400.
5D3:  Superior of the 3, great AF system, auto ISO in manual mode, in cam Multi-exposre, in-cam HDR, etc.

I've owned all 3.  The 1Ds3 was really superb at low ISO but that fell apart really fast.  I never bothered to shoot above ISO 800.  It's also old technology, with Digic 3 processors.  You can spot-meter thru active AF and is a superior landscape and well-lit scenery/portrait camera.  It is NOT better than the 5D3 though, even in these conditions.

The 5D2 was great IQ-wise, but not as good as the 1Ds3 ISO 100-400.  Beyond 400, the 5D2 looked much better, and was usuable at high ISO values.  Very poor AF system, and only has 9 points.

The 5D3 is the clear winner.  It has an advanced AF system and you can do auto ISO in manual mode.  The noise performance is a bit better than the 5D2.  Also has the newest technology.  You can use the 5D3 in ANY condition, whereas the above 2 would have to be more specific.

You need to decide what features you need.  I wouldn't recommend the 1Ds3 however, because there is better tech available now.
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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2012, 01:27:13 PM »
new 5D2 - $1900, used 1Ds3 - $2500, new 5D3 - $3200

IF want to have a full frame body now rather than wait for what Canon may announce later, what are the merits of the 3 above?  I can compare the specs directly but I'd appreciate this group's vast experience to provide insight beyond specs.

Thanks

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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 02:18:04 PM »
1Dx is nice but I'm not quite there yet with income.  I think 5D3 is the direction I'm leaning.  I found this seller on eBay.  It looks like he breaks up the 5D3/24-105 kits and sells separately.  <$3100?  Usually, if it looks too good to be true, it isn't. It looks like he's sold quite a few.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-NEW-/150811558362?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item231d11c1da

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2012, 02:45:00 PM »
1Dx is nice but I'm not quite there yet with income.  I think 5D3 is the direction I'm leaning.  I found this seller on eBay.  It looks like he breaks up the 5D3/24-105 kits and sells separately.  <$3100?  Usually, if it looks too good to be true, it isn't. It looks like he's sold quite a few.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-NEW-/150811558362?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item231d11c1da

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Canon has a specific list of retailers that are "authorized", meaning that you get the warranty for a full year. I know GetItDigital is not one of those, and many of the Ebay sellers are not either. For a $3000 item, not getting a warranty would be unacceptable to me. The list is at the bottom of this page: http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/standard_display/where-to-buy-pro

There are a few that are tricky (ASavings on Ebay is actually Focus Camera, which is authorized, for example), but for the most part if you don't see them on the list, the "warranty" they offer is dependent on them actually backing the product, not Canon.

It also appears that Ebay has authorized resellers pointed out, as they do in this listing in the top right corner: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-BODY-Digital-SLR-Camera-Canon-5260B002-NEW-/170846708911?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item27c741e4af

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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2012, 02:58:58 PM »
Buy a 5DII and spend the rest of your "budget" on glass!
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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2012, 03:14:16 PM »
I guess the best way to resolve this in my head is to use my CPS eval loans: 5D2 first, then 5D3.  Then I can see if the wow factor is worth the extra $1500
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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 03:19:39 PM »
I guess the best way to resolve this in my head is to use my CPS eval loans: 5D2 first, then 5D3.  Then I can see if the wow factor is worth the extra $1500

Good choice.  But really to be down to earth, the advanced features of the 5D3 just plainly make it easier to use.  It's just that.  It's easier to use, especially in less than ideal situations, than either the 1Ds3 or 5D2.  But do check them out, that's a smart idea.
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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2012, 03:25:39 PM »
Cheaper than renting and CPS loans is probably the only way I'll shoot a 1Dx in the next couple of years.
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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2012, 04:40:11 PM »
The good thing is that you really can't go wrong either way. It depends mostly on budget and application.

I have the 5DII and I'm quite happy wiht it. I recently tried out the Mark III and it is indeed very very nice and they made all the right improvements. But the again: not nice enough to go sell my camera to upgrade to it. The Mark III I personally still find to expensive. The 5DII on the other hand is such a good value right now that I've been contemplating getting a second body for that money while it is still around.

The 1DsIII would be my top choice but I don't buy used digital camera bodies - especially not pro cameras that likely have seen a lot of abuse. And manufacturer support cycles for camera gear seems to become shorter and shorter, so you may end up with a nice paperweight in only a few years.

But again, these are my personal choices since I could usually care less about super-duper AF perfomance and high frame rates or even high ISO for that matter. Same with video. Never ever used it.
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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2012, 04:50:01 PM »
I'm in the same boat, my shooting style has changed from a need for fps and reach to a need for IQ and res.
Wait for mystery body? 5D2/3? Selling my 7D and 10-22 can fund a 5D2 but a 3 is a credit card purchase, I try to keep those to a minimum and stay within budget! If a new body would help with income it would be more realistic but I'm just not selling that much right now. I guess I'm a hobbyist+, uberhobbyist? Semipro?
Well whatever I am I have appreciated the 7D's 'advanced' AF system and would consider a Mk2 a step down.

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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2012, 05:41:08 PM »
I'm in the same boat, my shooting style has changed from a need for fps and reach to a need for IQ and res.
Wait for mystery body? 5D2/3? Selling my 7D and 10-22 can fund a 5D2 but a 3 is a credit card purchase, I try to keep those to a minimum and stay within budget! If a new body would help with income it would be more realistic but I'm just not selling that much right now. I guess I'm a hobbyist+, uberhobbyist? Semipro?
Well whatever I am I have appreciated the 7D's 'advanced' AF system and would consider a Mk2 a step down.

100% of all my best images have come from owning my 5D2 + 24 1.4 over the course of the past month, even after having used a 7D for the previous 7 months. The AF isn't as horrific as people make it out to be. The question you have to ask yourself is, "how many shots will I miss due to only being able to track with the center AF point?" If that number is acceptable to you, 5D2 all the way. Whenever I find myself lusting for a 5D3, I honestly ask myself if any particular shot would be impossible with a 5D2. I haven't thought of a situation like that yet. And I doubt such situations even exist. It just becomes a question of "how much easier would a ______ make the shot?"

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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2012, 05:47:50 PM »
In my situation, I will have to sell my current backup, a 50D with 14,500 actuations, so the new FF will have to be my backup to my 7D for sports and primary for everything else.  Is a 5D3 better suited for this role than a 5D2?
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2012, 06:24:52 PM »
In my situation, I will have to sell my current backup, a 50D with 14,500 actuations, so the new FF will have to be my backup to my 7D for sports and primary for everything else.  Is a 5D3 better suited for this role than a 5D2?

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Re: Want to pull the FF trigger but on what? Help!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2012, 06:28:48 PM »

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I have no idea where the "trigger" is, but the gunsight is obvious.

You clearly want a 5D3. Stop pissing around about it!
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