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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2012, 05:58:19 PM »
Sometime I wondering if Canon & Nikon deliberately "tinker" with their firmware updates to make third party lenses not to auto focus quicker or introduce some other bug to basically not make them work as well as they should. I say this because two years ago I had Tamron 18-50 f/2.8 OS that used to work brilliantly with my EOS 60D but once I updated my firmware the lens became slower at auto focusing.

From Canon's and Nikon's perspective, "work as well as they should" means "not at all" because at least Canon to my knowledge makes no effort at all to help 3rd party gear work. On the contrary - with each new body or protocol update you might be out of luck, and of course this is a major selling point for "original" gear.

But this is the first time I've head someone say Canon but regressions in their firmware deliberately - but it's known to happen, remember how Microsoft drove Novell out of the DOS business by engineering false warnings into Windows 3.1. Years later and having seen the source code courts decided against MS, but too late for Novell to recover...

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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2012, 05:58:19 PM »

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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2012, 06:07:30 PM »
Sometime I wondering if Canon & Nikon deliberately "tinker" with their firmware updates to make third party lenses not to auto focus quicker or introduce some other bug to basically not make them work as well as they should. I say this because two years ago I had Tamron 18-50 f/2.8 OS that used to work brilliantly with my EOS 60D but once I updated my firmware the lens became slower at auto focusing.

From Canon's and Nikon's perspective, "work as well as they should" means "not at all" because at least Canon to my knowledge makes no effort at all to help 3rd party gear work. On the contrary - with each new body or protocol update you might be out of luck, and of course this is a major selling point for "original" gear.

But this is the first time I've head someone say Canon but regressions in their firmware deliberately - but it's known to happen, remember how Microsoft drove Novell out of the DOS business by engineering false warnings into Windows 3.1. Years later and having seen the source code courts decided against MS, but too late for Novell to recover...
I can't authenticate my suspicion but I feel it is quite possible because a similar thing happened to my Nikon D700 with my "Bigma" 50-500 (non OS) lens I both sold now(D700 partially funded my 5D MK III).
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2012, 08:15:13 PM »
Never understood announcing a new product which is going to be on the market after one year
now the 24-70 II
same thing happened with 1DX

When nikon announced the new D800, you could pre order it from the next day

canon sucks on that part...
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2012, 08:24:55 PM »
Never understood announcing a new product which is going to be on the market after one year
now the 24-70 II
same thing happened with 1DX

When nikon announced the new D800, you could pre order it from the next day

canon sucks on that part...
D800 was announced much before 5D MK III but D800 is still on "Back Ordered" status i.e. still not available fpr [purchase, while Canon 5D 3 is widely available ... it has nothing to do with demand either ... B&H clearly states that "supply from Nikon is extremely limited".
With the exception of 24-70L II, 1DX & 200-400 lens, Canon historically has always been the  faster company to get its products out for purchase ... whereas Nikon has almost always taken 12 to 18 months before its DLSR's and lenses are widely available.
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2012, 05:40:26 AM »
Marsu:

Returing the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 soon. The AF on my unit is crap. There is a huge disparity in MF sharpness vs. AF sharpness regardless of AFMA which I tried all the way form -20 to +20. (Got better at +10 but no better at +20)... I wonder if all Tams are like this or just my copy.
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2012, 07:33:15 AM »
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Get the EF 24-70 II. With no other lens in this aperture range you can focus so quick. 

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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2012, 10:59:30 AM »
I also purchased the Tamron, used it for one wedding and returned it because it wasn't that sharp at 2.8 and also slow to focus.

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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2012, 10:59:30 AM »

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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2012, 11:07:03 AM »
I also purchased the Tamron, used it for one wedding and returned it because it wasn't that sharp at 2.8 and also slow to focus.
Folks from America, Europe & Australia are lucky ... you can return stuff that you don't like ... it is not easy to return stuff in most parts of Asia (except maybe Japan, Hongkong, Singapore etc) ... the return policies in most parts of Asia 5cuks cow n!pples.
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2012, 11:16:09 AM »
Marsu:

Returing the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 soon. The AF on my unit is crap. There is a huge disparity in MF sharpness vs. AF sharpness regardless of AFMA which I tried all the way form -20 to +20. (Got better at +10 but no better at +20)... I wonder if all Tams are like this or just my copy.

welcome back to mrk II waiting room  ;D........I hope you didn't cancel your pre-order :P

Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2012, 12:24:38 PM »
Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.
True that!
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2012, 12:47:06 PM »
Marsu:

Returing the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 soon. The AF on my unit is crap. There is a huge disparity in MF sharpness vs. AF sharpness regardless of AFMA which I tried all the way form -20 to +20. (Got better at +10 but no better at +20)... I wonder if all Tams are like this or just my copy.

welcome back to mrk II waiting room  ;D........I hope you didn't cancel your pre-order :P

Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.

Did I buy the 85mm f/1.2L II lens JUST BECAUSE it's a 1.2 lens??  Hell no!!  I don't give a crap what its maximum aperture is, that is one sharp lens!  Oh such a bad answer my friend.  It's the quality of the lens that the 24-70 f/2.8L II will be, regardless of the widest aperture.
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2012, 12:49:46 PM »
From the spects I never felt so confident about a lens like about the 24-70/2.8L II.
Can't wait to receive it - in September, October, whatsoever.
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2012, 01:01:23 PM »
Marsu:

Returing the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 soon. The AF on my unit is crap. There is a huge disparity in MF sharpness vs. AF sharpness regardless of AFMA which I tried all the way form -20 to +20. (Got better at +10 but no better at +20)... I wonder if all Tams are like this or just my copy.

welcome back to mrk II waiting room  ;D........I hope you didn't cancel your pre-order :P

Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.

Did I buy the 85mm f/1.2L II lens JUST BECAUSE it's a 1.2 lens??  Hell no!!  I don't give a crap what its maximum aperture is, that is one sharp lens!  Oh such a bad answer my friend.  It's the quality of the lens that the 24-70 f/2.8L II will be, regardless of the widest aperture.
I wouldn't buy an f1.2 lens unless I intend to use it at f/1.2 ... I don't own one coz I do not need f/1.2 (at least at this stage).
The corner sharpness at f/22 of Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 is much sharper than Canon, Nikon or Tamron but I did not buy it coz that lens is a disgrace at f/2.8.
But everyone's requirements are different ... you are the best judge of your requirements and no one can dispute that.
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2012, 01:01:23 PM »

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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2012, 01:38:50 PM »
Marsu:

Returing the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 soon. The AF on my unit is crap. There is a huge disparity in MF sharpness vs. AF sharpness regardless of AFMA which I tried all the way form -20 to +20. (Got better at +10 but no better at +20)... I wonder if all Tams are like this or just my copy.

welcome back to mrk II waiting room  ;D........I hope you didn't cancel your pre-order :P

Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.

Did I buy the 85mm f/1.2L II lens JUST BECAUSE it's a 1.2 lens??  Hell no!!  I don't give a crap what its maximum aperture is, that is one sharp lens!  Oh such a bad answer my friend.  It's the quality of the lens that the 24-70 f/2.8L II will be, regardless of the widest aperture.

Why do you think 70-200 f2.8 IS II is popular? fast AF & sharp at f2.8 maybe?

I thought people buy prime lenses for one reason - large aperture/speed. Rule #1 - You can always step down the f-stops from larger aperture, but not the other way around. Most lenses get sharper when you step down 1 or 2 stops, but if we can get sharp image at wide open....to me this is HUGE PLUSSSSS
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2012, 01:44:48 PM »
When nikon announced the new D800, you could pre order it from the next day

canon sucks on that part...

You can also preorder Canon as soon as they are officially announced. I had an 800E on pre-order. There was no difference between Canon & Nikon on the 800 and 800E.

The Canon T4i shipped less than 1 week after it was announced. It was officially announced on Friday, June 8. I had it in my hands one week later, on Friday, June 15.

Nikon actually had more disruption of manufacturing because of the incidents in japan and elsewhere, with many items out of stock and in short supply.

Really no difference overall. Canon is making sure the product performs prior to shipping.


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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2012, 01:44:48 PM »