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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2012, 01:47:29 PM »
I thought people buy prime lenses for one reason - large aperture/speed. Rule #1 - You can always step down the f-stops from larger aperture, but not the other way around.
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2012, 01:47:29 PM »

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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2012, 02:11:44 PM »
Marsu:

Returing the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 soon. The AF on my unit is crap. There is a huge disparity in MF sharpness vs. AF sharpness regardless of AFMA which I tried all the way form -20 to +20. (Got better at +10 but no better at +20)... I wonder if all Tams are like this or just my copy.

welcome back to mrk II waiting room  ;D........I hope you didn't cancel your pre-order :P

Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.

Did I buy the 85mm f/1.2L II lens JUST BECAUSE it's a 1.2 lens??  Hell no!!  I don't give a crap what its maximum aperture is, that is one sharp lens!  Oh such a bad answer my friend.  It's the quality of the lens that the 24-70 f/2.8L II will be, regardless of the widest aperture.

Why do you think 70-200 f2.8 IS II is popular? fast AF & sharp at f2.8 maybe?

I thought people buy prime lenses for one reason - large aperture/speed. Rule #1 - You can always step down the f-stops from larger aperture, but not the other way around. Most lenses get sharper when you step down 1 or 2 stops, but if we can get sharp image at wide open....to me this is HUGE PLUSSSSS

The popularity of the 70-200 f/2.8L II IS lens has less to do with the f/2.8, but rather the sharpness of the lens over all apertures.  I don't mean general sharpness, I mean supreme sharpness over many other lenses in that focal length range. 

You should never buy a lens for ONE reason, ever.  Besides, large aperture/speed are TWO reasons.  Again, I stand by my comment, 99% of the 85 f/1.2L II owners did not purchase it because of the 1.2 aperture, but rather the supreme performance of the lens at useful apertures over other lenses.

There are tons of lenses you can buy for a Canon camera that have really wide apertures, but also which happen to perform very, very poorly. 

You're talking f/stops in your post, which is fine, but who cares if the lens performs poorly?  So I have mediocre photos at f/8 and crappy photos at f/1.8?  Another scenario, suppose a prime has a widest aperture at 1.2.  Okay, but if it's super sharp at f/5.6 and I only need it at f/5.6, I'm STILL buying it because it's the sharpest lens at f/5.6.  I really am not concerned about widest aperture necessarily. 

To support your point?  Yes!  I did purchase the 300mm f/2.8L I IS lens because I can go as wide as f/2.8, which is very useful for nigiht sports with fast shutter speeds.  But I didn't buy the 85L because of it's widest aperture, I bought it because it's the sharpest lens at 85mm over all apertures, regardless of how wide it can go.
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2012, 03:28:02 PM »
Marsu:

Returing the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 soon. The AF on my unit is crap. There is a huge disparity in MF sharpness vs. AF sharpness regardless of AFMA which I tried all the way form -20 to +20. (Got better at +10 but no better at +20)... I wonder if all Tams are like this or just my copy.

welcome back to mrk II waiting room  ;D........I hope you didn't cancel your pre-order :P

Why buy f2.8 lens when you can't use it at f2.8.

Did I buy the 85mm f/1.2L II lens JUST BECAUSE it's a 1.2 lens??  Hell no!!  I don't give a crap what its maximum aperture is, that is one sharp lens!  Oh such a bad answer my friend.  It's the quality of the lens that the 24-70 f/2.8L II will be, regardless of the widest aperture.

Why do you think 70-200 f2.8 IS II is popular? fast AF & sharp at f2.8 maybe?

I thought people buy prime lenses for one reason - large aperture/speed. Rule #1 - You can always step down the f-stops from larger aperture, but not the other way around. Most lenses get sharper when you step down 1 or 2 stops, but if we can get sharp image at wide open....to me this is HUGE PLUSSSSS

The popularity of the 70-200 f/2.8L II IS lens has less to do with the f/2.8, but rather the sharpness of the lens over all apertures.  I don't mean general sharpness, I mean supreme sharpness over many other lenses in that focal length range. 

You should never buy a lens for ONE reason, ever.  Besides, large aperture/speed are TWO reasons.  Again, I stand by my comment, 99% of the 85 f/1.2L II owners did not purchase it because of the 1.2 aperture, but rather the supreme performance of the lens at useful apertures over other lenses.

There are tons of lenses you can buy for a Canon camera that have really wide apertures, but also which happen to perform very, very poorly. 

You're talking f/stops in your post, which is fine, but who cares if the lens performs poorly?  So I have mediocre photos at f/8 and crappy photos at f/1.8?  Another scenario, suppose a prime has a widest aperture at 1.2.  Okay, but if it's super sharp at f/5.6 and I only need it at f/5.6, I'm STILL buying it because it's the sharpest lens at f/5.6.  I really am not concerned about widest aperture necessarily. 

To support your point?  Yes!  I did purchase the 300mm f/2.8L I IS lens because I can go as wide as f/2.8, which is very useful for nigiht sports with fast shutter speeds.  But I didn't buy the 85L because of it's widest aperture, I bought it because it's the sharpest lens at 85mm over all apertures, regardless of how wide it can go.


"Besides, large aperture/speed are TWO reasons" - this is parallel,  large aperture = higher speed

"99% of the 85 f/1.2L II owners did not purchase it because of the 1.2 aperture" - where can I see this data?

Again...not so many ZOOM lenses out there is sharp at f2.8 - wide open.



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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2012, 05:43:20 PM »
It may be parallel, but it's two reasons nonetheless.  "Speed" means nothing when you define it as the "same" as wide aperture.  Again, not to be argumentative, but I think I've presented enough of an example from someone who sells photography to demonstrate that the purchase of a prime lens is not always because of speed/aperture.  Sometimes it is, but not always.  Ok, I'll rephrase:  99% of all the professional photographers I know, purchased the 85 f/1.2L II lens otherwise.  The purchase of my primes, the PRIMARY reason is NOT aperture, but sharpness rather.  Wide aperture is not my fault, I did not design the lens.  Canon did that.  It could be the 85 f/2.8L II lens for all I care, as long as it's as sharp as the one I have.  I bought a 50 f/1.4 when I had a 24-70mm zoom lens.  I bought it not b/c of the 1.4, but because it's sharp.  I'm personally not shooting wider than 2.8 for ME.  Others have other needs besides mine, and I understand that.
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2012, 04:04:17 AM »
B&H are listing the 24-70mm II as arriving on Sept 13th.

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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2012, 04:09:58 AM »
B&H are listing the 24-70mm II as arriving on Sept 13th.

... as limited quantity for pre-order, so for the first month or so all lenses might be used to serve back-orders. It's not only a shame Canon pushed the release date time and time again, but even more so that it's still pure speculation when the lens will be available in sufficient quantities. Since Canon doesn't say anything about that, I fear for the worst ...

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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2012, 04:59:21 AM »
Yikes. I tried to plan for September arrival by advertising my 24-70 for sale this week,.  promised the lens to someone this morning (Saturday). I wish there was confirmation or (official)denial - one way or the other. I will miss the lens on assignments... adding a month without or back out of the agreement. I don't like doing that.

There must be others who have tried to plan their sales of their 24-70 for an easy transition.

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« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2012, 12:58:40 PM »
I preordered this lens in Feb.  I sold my mark I version of this lens in Feb.  I've been bouncing around all summer on 3 lenses, when one would do.  LET'S GO, CANON!

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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2012, 12:42:03 PM »
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Get the EF 24-70 II. With no other lens in this aperture range you can focus so quick.

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« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2012, 02:31:32 AM »
If the 24-70II is anything like the 70-200 2.8II, then we'll have another instant success.  This lens will rock and will only make the coming of 14-24 even more apparent.
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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2012, 02:33:59 AM »
Scandinavian Photo, http://www.scandinavianphoto.se/, in Sweden have shipped my 24-70/2.8L II today! So the information that I received from Canon was in error.

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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2012, 03:11:05 AM »
I'm getting mine on Thursday (since I'm out of the country)..  Else it would have been in my hands already!

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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2012, 03:57:46 AM »
If the 24-70II is anything like the 70-200 2.8II, then we'll have another instant success.

Well, it isn't because it hasn't got IS :-o ... but I am absolutely curious how it does, too and if "expensive must be stellar" is true.

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« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2012, 10:07:00 AM »
Scandinavian Photo, http://www.scandinavianphoto.se/, in Sweden have shipped my 24-70/2.8L II today! So the information that I received from Canon was in error.

Unfortunately, an misunderstanding the 24-70 is not shipped to me  :-[

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Re: Canon 24-70/2.8L II is official delayed - again
« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2012, 01:40:51 PM »
Scandinavian Photo, http://www.scandinavianphoto.se/, in Sweden have shipped my 24-70/2.8L II today! So the information that I received from Canon was in error.

Unfortunately, an misunderstanding the 24-70 is not shipped to me  :-[

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« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2012, 01:40:51 PM »