*UPDATE* Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Pushed Back to October?

[Marsu42]

If you want to make videos get a tripod with a good video head. For sports, weddings and travelling you don´t need an IS.

This has been discussed all over, but I cannot resist to argue that esp. for traveling IS is very handy because you won't want to carry around a sturdy tripod & gearhead! This makes it a "pro" lens for people willing to be prepared to get the best iq shots - same for video: tracking moving objects w/o IS at all requires heavy, expensive stabilization gear people won't have lying around to get some clips of their kids running around.

And as written before I'm so curious if the "best picture quality" means "ever, across all lenses" or "in comparison to other f2.8 zooms in this range".

[M.ST]

For private use a IS make sense if you shoot videos and stills.

If you have a 60D get the EF-S 17-55 2.8 IS lens instead of the EF 24-70 II (or get the Tamron if you want IS).

But I think that 24-70 mm is not a good range for APS-C.

No zoom lens (with some exceptions) can reach the image quality of a good prime lens. But for travelling a zoom lens is the best if you don´t want to carry a lot of bodys and lenses with you.

[Marsu42]

If you have a 60D get the EF-S 17-55 2.8 IS lens instead of the EF 24-70 II (or get the Tamron if you want IS).

Of course, only hardcore enthusiasts would want to get a 24-70 exclusively for a crop camera... but the problem with the 17-55 is that it's not sealed and you can't use it when you upgrade to ff.

But I think that 24-70 mm is not a good range for APS-C.

... but if you have a ff/crop camera mix, the 24-70 range imho isn't that bad - the wide end may be limiting sometimes, but on the long end many tele zooms start at 70mm so an overlap like with the 24-105 is convenient, but not necessary.

[marekjoz]

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No zoom lens (with some exceptions) can reach the image quality of a good prime lens.
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If the topic came to primes again: is this 35 f2/0 really so bad: link to DTP?

[almograve]

They must have a really hard time building those babies...
I just hope that they will guaranty build quality from day one...
I start wondering if it would not be a bad idea to let the first batch go when it becomes available....

[neuroanatomist]

You don´t need an IS.  For ... travelling you don´t need an IS.

Maybe you don't.  Please don't tell me what I need.

Maybe I'm just lazy.  You're right, I don't need IS.  I should just bring an RRS TVC-33 and BH-55.  I'm sure they'll let me take that big tripod and set it up in dimly-lit museums, candle-lit cathedrals, etc. 

[marekjoz]

You don´t need an IS.  For ... travelling you don´t need an IS.

Maybe you don't.  Please don't tell me what I need.

For travelling I prefer to be equipped with ABS and ESP.

[2n10]

If I am traveling I want IS because I will not allocate enough time to make sure the picture comes out perfect and I am not likely to be at my steadiest since I am trying to pack as much fun into the trip as possible.

[Marsu42]

If I am traveling I want IS because I will not allocate enough time to make sure the picture comes out perfect and I am not likely to be at my steadiest since I am trying to pack as much fun into the trip as possible.

For this purpose, the Tamron 24-70 should do fine, too - at least it's $1000 cheaper and thus it's only half the catastrophe if it gets damaged.

I start wondering if it would not be a bad idea to let the first batch go when it becomes available....

For once, I have to speak up for Canon: obviously they delayed the lens the last time due to beta testers' feedback (whatever that was), and given the total delay anything other than a 100% perfect qc would be a total marketing disaster.

The one possibility is that the cps samples they're shipping now are hand-picked and there might be another slight delay for the normal customer - say until September 2013 or so :-p

[Luke]

If I am traveling I want IS because I will not allocate enough time to make sure the picture comes out perfect and I am not likely to be at my steadiest since I am trying to pack as much fun into the trip as possible.

I too find it difficult to compose a steady shot when I'm bouncing up and down with excitement!
I really wish this lens had IS, but I'm buying it anyways... The added weight is inconsequential for me compared to capturing the memories...

[Dylan777]

Delivery to the CPS merchants in Germany starts definetely next week. This is CR3 and reported a few times in the last two days by Canon Germany (CPS) and Canon Europe (CPS).

But I don´t think that Canon is able to fulfill all preorders. CPS members (platinum) are the first who get the lens.

I read a lot of IS. => You don´t need an IS. I am happy with my prototype of the lens without IS. If you want the best image quality and you shoot architecture, landscapes or available light use a good tripod with a gearhead like the Manfrotto 405. If you want to make videos get a tripod with a good video head. For sports, weddings and travelling you don´t need an IS.

-1........Without tripod, "IS" can be usefull for low light shot - shutter speed 1/40 or slower.

[Rienzphotoz]

I too find it difficult to compose a steady shot when I'm bouncing up and down with excitement!
I really wish this lens had IS, but I'm buying it anyways... The added weight is inconsequential for me compared to capturing the memories...

I agree ... I too wish 24-70 L II had IS ... I'll be buying it anyway, but most likely during Christmas otherwise I'll have to wait till July 2013.

[Rienzphotoz]

Delivery to the CPS merchants in Germany starts definetely next week. This is CR3 and reported a few times in the last two days by Canon Germany (CPS) and Canon Europe (CPS).

But I don´t think that Canon is able to fulfill all preorders. CPS members (platinum) are the first who get the lens.

I read a lot of IS. => You don´t need an IS. I am happy with my prototype of the lens without IS. If you want the best image quality and you shoot architecture, landscapes or available light use a good tripod with a gearhead like the Manfrotto 405. If you want to make videos get a tripod with a good video head. For sports, weddings and travelling you don´t need an IS.

-1........Without tripod, "IS" can be usefull for low light shot - shutter speed 1/40 or slower.

Yup ... mere mortals like me need IS, coz I hate climbing sand dunes in the desert with a tripod in my hand ... the same applies during my family vacations ... most of my vacations are in a tour bus, sightseeing new places and it is convenient to have IS ... that is the reason why I like 24-105 L IS ... but if  24-70 f/2.8 had IS I can do so much more with the DOF.
I know it is wishful thinking but it would be AWESOME if Canon made 24-105 f/2.8 L IS. 

[Marsu42]

most of my vacations are in a tour bus, sightseeing new places and it is convenient to have IS ... that is the reason why I like 24-105 L IS ...

Sounds like you could be better off w/ the more flexible 24-105 and a real fast 1.4 prime anyway? Or the newer light primes with IS. Truth is for travel a 24-70 might not cut it due to the small zoom range. But still no excuse for Canon to cut IS from the 24-70, that's why I believe they have an IS version in the pipeline, too.

[Rienzphotoz]

most of my vacations are in a tour bus, sightseeing new places and it is convenient to have IS ... that is the reason why I like 24-105 L IS ...

Sounds like you could be better off w/ the more flexible 24-105 and a real fast 1.4 prime anyway? Or the newer light primes with IS. Truth is for travel a 24-70 might not cut it due to the small zoom range. But still no excuse for Canon to cut IS from the 24-70, that's why I believe they have an IS version in the pipeline, too.

Yes I agree, 24-105 is more flexible and that's why I use it on vacations ... but many a time I see situations where I wish the 24-105 was an f/2.8 lens, since that does not seem to be possible (at least not in the near future), I would like to see a 24-70 f/2.8 with IS ... I tried the Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC at the local store but somehow I was not really convinced with its performance (too spoiled by the Canon L glass I guess). All I can do now is hold on to my 24-105 and wait for the day when Canon releases 24-70 f2/8 L IS version.