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Re: More Analysis of the C100
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2012, 01:07:13 AM »
4:2:0 color space for sharp, vivid images. what a louder bollocks, another failure from canon.

1080p- no 60p and further???
4-2-0  24mbit avchd??????????
4000$ ?????????
APS-C sensor?????????

canon completely lost its mind.

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« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2012, 01:07:13 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2012, 05:51:16 AM »
I don't shoot or display 4k.

I shoot stuff for TV and so most of the time don't even need 1080p.

For the folk who really do shoot and display 4k then they'll want a better camera.   You wouldn't buy a ferrari for a wee runabout in town.

I don't do compositing (alpha layer graphics from AE at most) and so this camera looks perfect for me!

Adult audio, fixed sensor glitches, nice layout and handling.

Blackmagic... forget it, I'll use my 2/3rds ENG instead.

RED...  forget it.  A) I don't want to be on a waiting list for B) an incomplete camera that C) will give me nothing but hassle when I get it.

C500 is overkill, was seriously considering the C300, but will take the C100, it does everything I need, it'll work out the box, will have decent support, and thats really all I need.

It will force my hand in switching finally from FCP7 to Premiere though.  A good thing, ultimately.

DSLRs spoiled us with expectations, but folks have forgotton the law of diminishing returns.  And folk who think this money is too exepensive for a camera have never priced a real tripod or professional microphone.

As a package the C100 looks perfectly pitched for owner operators who want large sensor shooting without the myriad DSLR caveats.




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Re: More Analysis of the C100
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2012, 07:54:43 AM »
For me, it all comes down to the price and how this camera's value stacks up against an FS100, which has almost all of the positives that the C100 does, except built-in ND and a built-in EF mount. I already have ND filters for use in DSLR video and a metabones adapter can be had for $500 - plus the FS100 has 50p/60p.

If the C100 has the same image quality as the C300, then it will beat out the FS100 at the same price (including adapter) in my eyes and might even justify a premium over FS100+adapter. But if the street price is USD8000, then I'll probably go with an FS100. Or, if I talk myself into spending USD8k, then the FS700 might be my choice. But, at that point, I really lose the form factor and might just decide that the 5D3 has a plenty good enough picture for me (which it currently does!).

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Re: More Analysis of the C100
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2012, 12:01:12 PM »
I agree with a previous poster- no 1080 60p is a huge deal breaker when thinking of buying an $8k camera. I'll stick with a 5Dii and maybe a 5Diii until something better comes out. Not a fan of the FS700 either- looks like video, not cinema.

Take it from a fan and customer, Canon- you need to add value to these products to get us to buy them. Customers are smarter than you think and know when they're being played. Differentiation between your camera models will only get you so far.

If you made a camera like the C100 but with 60p and 4:2:2 50Mbps codec, people would be more enthused to buy it and believe me, you want people to be enthused about your products, not thinking about which feature they have to compromise on.

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Re: More Analysis of the C100
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2012, 12:53:47 PM »
If you made a camera like the C100 but with 60p and 4:2:2 50Mbps codec, people would be more enthused to buy it and believe me, you want people to be enthused about your products, not thinking about which feature they have to compromise on.

Those stats would effectively bury the c300. This would require somebody admitting a mistake in the pricing of the c300. This doesn't happen in Japanese corporate culture.  No, instead they double down with another overpriced cinema camera.

I still think the c300 is the best camera at its price or below, but I don't think the quality jump justifies the huge price premium.

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Re: More Analysis of the C100
« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2012, 01:29:06 PM »
Some sites say 4.2.2 some say 4.2.0 we will have to wait and see.

As for the 24Mbit thats still faster than the Reds 24Mbyte.

Plus uncompressed HDMI out so thats kinda a mute point.

Remember the 1DC was first announced as costing $15k, and can now be found for $9999. Lets hope the same thing happens with this camera, that may change people opinion slightly.

I agree, I think it will be in the $5k range.  Pretty much everything in the Cinema EOS line has debuted lower than originally expected.  The cinema primes were supposed to be $6800/each but they're available for preorder right under $5k.
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Re: More Analysis of the C100
« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2012, 01:31:06 PM »
For me, it all comes down to the price and how this camera's value stacks up against an FS100, which has almost all of the positives that the C100 does, except built-in ND and a built-in EF mount. I already have ND filters for use in DSLR video and a metabones adapter can be had for $500 - plus the FS100 has 50p/60p.

If the C100 has the same image quality as the C300, then it will beat out the FS100 at the same price (including adapter) in my eyes and might even justify a premium over FS100+adapter. But if the street price is USD8000, then I'll probably go with an FS100. Or, if I talk myself into spending USD8k, then the FS700 might be my choice. But, at that point, I really lose the form factor and might just decide that the 5D3 has a plenty good enough picture for me (which it currently does!).

I don't think it will be $8k, almost everything in the Cinema EOS line has ended up being cheaper than the announcement price.
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« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2012, 01:36:29 PM »
I have to disagree with Vincent here. The only things I added to my kit for DSLR use were a LCD loupe and a Zoom H4n. Everything else (tripod, monopod, etc) I had already, and would need for any camcorder.

If that's all you got you're working with a truly minimalist setup, but whatever works.   
I had to get:
Redrock Field Cinema Deluxe- with riser, tripod plate, brace, follow focus gears, and extra rods to make other rigs was $3k
Marshall 7" Monitor/batteries/charger - $1200
Marshall 5" - $500
Z-Finder - $350
Zacuto EVF- $700
Fader ND - $180 (and that's on the cheap side)
Zoom - $300

Of course you can exclude the rig technically because it would be useful for the C100 too, but all the other stuff adds up quickly.

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Re: More Analysis of the C100
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2012, 05:48:44 PM »
If you made a camera like the C100 but with 60p and 4:2:2 50Mbps codec, people would be more enthused to buy it and believe me, you want people to be enthused about your products, not thinking about which feature they have to compromise on.

Those stats would effectively bury the c300. This would require somebody admitting a mistake in the pricing of the c300. This doesn't happen in Japanese corporate culture.  No, instead they double down with another overpriced cinema camera.

I still think the c300 is the best camera at its price or below, but I don't think the quality jump justifies the huge price premium.

Agreed, it wouldn't happen in Japanese corporate culture. However, it hurts their brand loyalty in the long run and they need to hear that.

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Re: More Analysis of the C100
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2012, 04:13:31 PM »
Just noticed that B&H has put a $6500 pre-order price on the C100 in the U.S.

While not $8000, it is still a hefty premium over a Sony FS100, even after paying for an EF mount adapter.

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« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2012, 07:18:57 PM »
The C100 with the Atmos Ninja 2 looks like a solid combo providing 422 ProRes or DNxHD for ~$7500. For web/internet/TV, the 420 24Mbit H.264 via AVCHD container is sufficient (as it is with the 5D2 and 5D3).

422 via HDMI reported here: http://www.cinema5d.com/news/
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