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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2012, 04:38:38 AM »
The D90 does not have in camera HDR. And why do you want built in flash? Other than occasional emergency fill, they're useless.

Looks like my partner (who has a D90) will have a nice upgrade path if they decide to in the next while. Myself, well I don't have any money to spend on anything much so I'll just wait it out and see what happens and make do with my 7D which is doing me really well anyway. Im not going back to nikon.

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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2012, 04:38:38 AM »

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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2012, 04:44:01 AM »
It's hard to complain about a $1500 FF camera, but I hope this "RUMOR" is wrong about the SD card slots.  I don't think I even own a SD card anymore?  I also remember reading another "RUMOR" about the D600 using a sensor that is not made by Sony.  That may no longer be true, but if it is, don't expect the DR you get from a D800.
apparently D4's & D3200's sensors are also nikon made and not sony, so if thats an indication, DR should be aproximately ~.5-1 stop less than D800's
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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2012, 05:33:50 AM »

What small things??


Something you missed: xsync!
1/200 at best for the 5D3 vs. the custom function that allows 1/320 on the current Nikons.
Noticeable with mains powered flash, invaluable with battery powered units.

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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2012, 06:55:38 AM »
Just curious, I see some makes 1EV DR the same as 1bit, meanin 14bit processing gives a maximum of 14EV DR. But why is that?

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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2012, 06:57:43 AM »
What small things??

-Auto ISO? Even D3200's auto iso is better than 5d3's
-Multi exposure and HDR? D90 got these in 2008, canon just added
-Build-in time-lapse functionality? no for canon
-Build-in flash with wireless trigger? no for 5D
-AF face detection? no for canon except 1D and in liveview mode
-AF point-linked spot metering? A standard feature in Nikon entire range, no for canon except 1D
it looks like you need a rebel camera, if you really care about HDR and face detection ;D
Did I say I care about these features, which one of your eyes did you see that? I simply replied.
5D3 has HDR, 1DX has face detection, rebel series suddenly has two more bodies. ;)
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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2012, 07:10:01 AM »
But why is that?

Because in a world with a perfectly linear sensor response one stop more light means twice as many photons on the sensor and electrons in the well, thus one more binary digit to represent that doubling. That assumes no other interference, like noise in the lower digits caused by the readout electronics.
Once you apply a gamma curve the whole relation vanishes and any number of bits can represent arbitrary dynamic range, although at the cost of tonality - you may experience banding.

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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2012, 07:16:34 AM »
The D90 does not have in camera HDR. And why do you want built in flash? Other than occasional emergency fill, they're useless.

Looks like my partner (who has a D90) will have a nice upgrade path if they decide to in the next while. Myself, well I don't have any money to spend on anything much so I'll just wait it out and see what happens and make do with my 7D which is doing me really well anyway. Im not going back to nikon.
You are right about the D90 which doesn't have HDR. :)
I didn't say I need build in flash, I just replied to Kirilica that some of these small things have been built into Nikon bodies for years or better implemented than Canon.
You just mentioned build in flash can be used for occasional emergency fill, so it's not completely useless and it's better than nothing when this situation occurs :D

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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2012, 07:34:22 AM »
But why is that?

Because in a world with a perfectly linear sensor response one stop more light means twice as many photons on the sensor and electrons in the well, thus one more binary digit to represent that doubling. That assumes no other interference, like noise in the lower digits caused by the readout electronics.
Once you apply a gamma curve the whole relation vanishes and any number of bits can represent arbitrary dynamic range, although at the cost of tonality - you may experience banding.

Thank you!
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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2012, 08:37:58 AM »
So, this is the 5dMKIII competitor, not the D800. If the rumor about the price, $1500 is correct, then it is a 5DMKIII at half the price. Canon should be afraid.


it´s an entry level fullframe.
not really a competition to the 5D MK3 other then sensor size and MP.
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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2012, 08:43:24 AM »
If the price is really around $1500, I will buy it along with Nikon's 28-300 lens ... but my 5D MK III with my little collection of L glass will still be my main gear ... D600 with 28-300 will be very convenient for family vacations. I like the competition between Canon & Nikon, it means we get better products ... it'll be interesting to see what Canon will come up with.
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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2012, 12:29:11 PM »
The release probability of the Nikon D600 for Photokina is now at 99%. Here is an updated list of the specifications (new additions in bold):
 •Very small and lightweight body
 •16 bit image processing
 •Expeed 3 processor
 •Maximum video recording: 30 minutes
 •Built-in mic
 •19 scene modes
 •Magnesium alloy only on top and back only
 •Maximum shutter speed of 1/4000
 •Shutter life: 150,000 cycles (the D800 is rated for 200,000 cycles)

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/30/updated-specifications-for-the-nikon-d600.aspx/#ixzz251haVGAP


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not entirely sure what the buzz about 16 bit PROCESSING is, i thought the processing is 16 bit already but the data is only 14 bit? (two bits are always zero).

does this mean it´s 16 bit from the sensor, through AD, to the prozessor?

Could careless, nikon, sony, pentax, etc.  I'm here at canon for the glass.  8)

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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2012, 05:42:12 PM »
So, this is the 5dMKIII competitor, not the D800. If the rumor about the price, $1500 is correct, then it is a 5DMKIII at half the price. Canon should be afraid.


it´s an entry level fullframe.
not really a competition to the 5D MK3 other then sensor size and MP.
+1 for Freelancer

Why is it an entry level camera?
The size of the body (which seems large enough at pictures) or is it that it has magnesium alloy on top and back only?

These are still rumors, so we can only speculate, but to me the D600 is the 5D3 competitor, since the specs are so similar. And as long as it is half the price, I maintain my initial statement, Canon should be afraid. They are the King of the hill now, but situations can change if the company gets arrogant. And no, I´m not leaving Canon due to their great lenses, but I´m just saying.

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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2012, 05:44:12 PM »
So, this is the 5dMKIII competitor, not the D800. If the rumor about the price, $1500 is correct, then it is a 5DMKIII at half the price. Canon should be afraid.


it´s an entry level fullframe.
not really a competition to the 5D MK3 other then sensor size and MP.
+1 for Freelancer

Why is it an entry level camera?
The size of the body (which seems large enough at pictures) or is it that it has magnesium alloy on top and back only?

These are still rumors, so we can only speculate, but to me the D600 is the 5D3 competitor, since the specs are so similar. And as long as it is half the price, I maintain my initial statement, Canon should be afraid. They are the King of the hill now, but situations can change if the company gets arrogant. And no, I´m not leaving Canon due to their great lenses, but I´m just saying.

It wont be in the same league in AF performance, Not until Nikon revamps its entire line-up will it even touch the beauty of the 61 Point AF on the 5D3.

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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2012, 05:44:12 PM »

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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2012, 05:49:25 PM »
It wont be in the same league in AF performance, Not until Nikon revamps its entire line-up will it even touch the beauty of the 61 Point AF on the 5D3.
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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2012, 05:55:46 PM »
So, this is the 5dMKIII competitor, not the D800. If the rumor about the price, $1500 is correct, then it is a 5DMKIII at half the price. Canon should be afraid.


it´s an entry level fullframe.
not really a competition to the 5D MK3 other then sensor size and MP.
+1 for Freelancer

Why is it an entry level camera?
The size of the body (which seems large enough at pictures) or is it that it has magnesium alloy on top and back only?

These are still rumors, so we can only speculate, but to me the D600 is the 5D3 competitor, since the specs are so similar. And as long as it is half the price, I maintain my initial statement, Canon should be afraid. They are the King of the hill now, but situations can change if the company gets arrogant. And no, I´m not leaving Canon due to their great lenses, but I´m just saying.

It wont be in the same league in AF performance, Not until Nikon revamps its entire line-up will it even touch the beauty of the 61 Point AF on the 5D3.

It doesn´t need to have the same AF performance to be the closest competitor. 5D2 did well with 9 point AF, so 41 should do. And, if so, the D800 is not the 5D3 competitor, with nearly 50% more pixels. That is a bigger difference than 41pt. AF vs. 61pt.

I really hope Canon are getting nervous, that mean they have to adjust the prices to meet the competition. I like the Canon lenses and camera layout (buttons etc.), and are gonna stick to them, but their prices are insane.

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Re: rumor: D600 gets 16 Bit processing
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2012, 05:55:46 PM »