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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2012, 11:11:36 AM »
If it's sharper, faster focus, lighter, smaller, I would look at it. Maybe cheaper too.
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2012, 11:15:22 AM »
I wonder if they can make it a little lighter, shorter, give it the sharpness and AF speed of the f2.8 and make it fully weather sealed without affecting the price too much?  IS is a nice idea, but I'll happily skip it if it means a big price increase.  Like many people, I only venture into 400mm territory when photographing sports and wildlife and IS isn't going to help freeze action much better. 

It's interesting that you would happily skip IS.

Obviously one wouldn't want to pay heaps but I think in this case about the general rule that without IS you need to shoot a 400mm lens at at least 1/400th to get consistently sharp images. There are many instances where you don't necessarily need a speed of 1/400th to stop movement of wildlife. If IS can help steady the lens so that about 1/60th to 1/100th are useable (and even slower), then to me that opens up many more possibilities for the lens.

I suppose it's horses for courses but when I had the original there were plenty of times when IS would have been handy.

IS is a must for me.

IS even makes it easier to see what your shooting hand-held at 400mm. I hate a jiggling, bouncy view.
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2012, 11:16:26 AM »
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Sure.  Announced in 2012.  Announced availability 2013.  Actual availability 2014.  Go Canon!

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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2012, 06:05:51 PM »
The 400 F5.6 sells for $1350 in Canada. To get a longer Canon lens you have to be ready to shell out $9690. That's a HUGE jump in price.... and I'd be willing to bet that there is a market for something in between, like a 600 F5.6.

A fixed lens is mechanicly simpler than a zoom lens. Since the optics are fixed they can be made much sharper than a zoom lens. They are lighter, more robust, and better sealed than a comparable zoom lens. To go to the 100-400 F5.6 zoom lens means paying out an additional $350 for a lens that will not perform as well... Yes you get the zoom feature, but honestly, aren't most of the shots you take with this lens at the 400mm end?
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2012, 07:34:58 PM »
The 400 F5.6 sells for $1350 in Canada. To get a longer Canon lens you have to be ready to shell out $9690. That's a HUGE jump in price.... and I'd be willing to bet that there is a market for something in between, like a 600 F5.6.

A 600mm f/5.6L would cost at least US$7,500. But a 500mm f/5.6L might come in under US$4,000.
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2012, 08:10:31 PM »
Stupid question maybe, but : why not a 400mm f/4 ??

The 300/4 IS already exists, so ...

I have the 300mm f/4 and a 1.4x to make a 420mm f/5.6 IS.  And I can use it as a 300mm f/4 if I need to.

A 400mm f/4 IS (or even no IS) would be a good lens for Canon to make.
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2012, 02:28:51 AM »
+1

The 400 F5.6 sells for $1350 in Canada. To get a longer Canon lens you have to be ready to shell out $9690. That's a HUGE jump in price.... and I'd be willing to bet that there is a market for something in between, like a 600 F5.6.

A fixed lens is mechanicly simpler than a zoom lens. Since the optics are fixed they can be made much sharper than a zoom lens. They are lighter, more robust, and better sealed than a comparable zoom lens. To go to the 100-400 F5.6 zoom lens means paying out an additional $350 for a lens that will not perform as well... Yes you get the zoom feature, but honestly, aren't most of the shots you take with this lens at the 400mm end?

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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2012, 04:23:41 AM »
A 400mm f/4 IS (or even no IS) would be a good lens for Canon to make.

They do make a 400 f/4 IS.  It has a green ring on it.

Not sure how I feel about DO.  It looks like they've been shying away from it with recent releases in favor of other technologies, possibly as a result of customer feedback.  However the 400 is supposed to be a whole lot better than the 70-300 DO.  For the price it had better be...

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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2012, 06:37:59 AM »
Not sure how I feel about DO.

There seem to be two DO generations - the old green ring one Canon dumped due to mediocre sharpness and horrible bokeh, and the new one they just patented for lighter tele primes which is supposed a completely other DO tech.

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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2012, 11:29:07 AM »
The 400 F5.6 sells for $1350 in Canada. To get a longer Canon lens you have to be ready to shell out $9690. That's a HUGE jump in price.... and I'd be willing to bet that there is a market for something in between, like a 600 F5.6.

A 600mm f/5.6L would cost at least US$7,500. But a 500mm f/5.6L might come in under US$4,000.

+1.  It's not that f/5.6 lenses are automatically (relatively) inexpensive.  Just check the price of the 800/5.6.  It comes down to the element size required to fill the iris diaphragm with light.   A 600/5.6 tele would have a 107mm front element, which is the same as the 300/2.8.  The longer focal length would translate to a higher price than the 300/2.8, I'd bet ~$8K for a 600/5.6.  Since there's $13K 600/4, and you can get 600/5.6 with a 300/2.8 and 2x TC, I doubt Canon will see much of a market for a 600/5.6. 
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2012, 06:49:42 PM »
But 2012 will be the year !

Sure.  Announced in 2012.  Announced availability 2013.  Actual availability 2014.  Go Canon!
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2012, 08:50:14 PM »
But 2012 will be the year !

Sure.  Announced in 2012.  Announced availability 2013.  Actual availability 2014.  Go Canon!
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2012, 03:01:20 AM »
If it does happen it will shorten my wishlist to 35L, 135L and 180L Macro.

I dont like zooms as their image quality cannot approach that of primes. This holds true if the design year are within months of each other.

Zooms are heavier than primes at the furthest focal length and max aperture.

400/5.6 with IS would be a killer light long lens.

It should sell for the same price of a 70-200/2.8 IS II.

I'd be using it at 400mm all the time so a 100-400 would be useless for me.
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2012, 03:55:59 AM »
if it's true and not another rumor i guess the price will be around 2000$ with an IS II and weather sealed ! i hope it won't be more :-\

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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2012, 04:36:15 AM »
A new 400/5.6L with IS II would be a fantastic ultra light long lens - nothing like it in the Nikon range.

Perhaps the beginning of the end for the 400/4 DO which Canon do not seem to want to upgrade - image quality wise.

The current 400/5.6 is slightly sharper than the excellent 100-400L and appreciably sharper than the 400/4 DO.

If it comes out and turns out to be even sharper than the current model Canon will sell lots of them.

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Re: A New EF 400 f/5.6L Before Photokina? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2012, 04:36:15 AM »