Announcements Before Photokina

[papercutMS]

Any updates on whether they will release an update for 430 ex II speedlite?

This is what I am waiting for, Canon to add a cheaper RT option to the 600EX-RT.

[crasher8]

A road map, a blueprint. A sign that there is some sanity in the previous few releases, bodies, lenses etc……Too many lines, too many bodies…...

[poias]

First you all complain of new higher prices, then complain when there is nothing new to buy.

May be they just want something new (tech wise), but not intended to milk its customers. Ahem Nikon ahem.

[zim]

A road map, a blueprint. A sign that there is some sanity in the previous few releases, bodies, lenses etc……Too many lines, too many bodies…...

You mean something like this?
http://www.fujifilm.eu/uk/news/article/news/expanding-the-fujinon-xf-lens-range-for-the-fujifilm-x-pro1/

That would be way to sensible

[drmikeinpdx]

All this confusion makes it hard for the consumer to make intelligent buying plans.  I have to wonder why Canon tries to keep their new products secret until they are released.  There must be some cost for this effort and lots of wasted paper for non-disclosure agreements.   

Most manufacturing companies start advertising (or leaking info about) their new products well in advance to generate interest and encourage consumers to save up their money for the latest gadget.

Why does Canon do it backwards?  Very frustrating!   

[Etienne]

A road map, a blueprint. A sign that there is some sanity in the previous few releases, bodies, lenses etc……Too many lines, too many bodies…...

You mean something like this?
http://www.fujifilm.eu/uk/news/article/news/-c9415ff1ff/

That would be way to sensible

There are some nice lenses coming. I might just check out the XPro 1

[simonxu11]

Any updates on whether they will release an update for 430 ex II speedlite?

Once everybody who is annoyed by the lack of a 430ex2 successor finally bought the expensive 600rt to have the future-proof tech - I'm sure the delay is there to get as much revenue as possible, and once the 600rt sales drop a little the 440ex will be there.

Cannot agree more~like someone said in another thread the market team runs Canon

[preppyak]

What happened to the 6D in October?

It's not October yet

[nonac]

It's really bad, been saving my cash for this Fall for the latest and greatest new body, preferably a 7d successor.  Looks like I'll have to spend my money elsewhere. 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

All this confusion makes it hard for the consumer to make intelligent buying plans.  I have to wonder why Canon tries to keep their new products secret until they are released.  There must be some cost for this effort and lots of wasted paper for non-disclosure agreements.   

Most manufacturing companies start advertising (or leaking info about) their new products well in advance to generate interest and encourage consumers to save up their money for the latest gadget.

Why does Canon do it backwards?  Very frustrating!   

Yeah but then when they didn't do that, and announced that a 1DX would be arriving in a year and the 24-70 II way ahead and so on then everyone went ape S___ when it took a year for them to arrive so.... they can't win.

[LetTheRightLensIn]

as for the long fabled 3D we basically already have that with the 5D3 (minus 1 fps)

as for the 5 series with more MP it probably makes sense they hold that off until they can more low iso dynamic range and not be made to look silly by Exmor, what are they going to do, release a 40MP camera with 3 stops worse DR than the D800, with no cropped mode for speed and charge the $1500 more for it or even the same price or even just $500 less?

if they gave it 36-40MP and kept the 6fps FF then it might offer something even if the DR is behind but that sort of replaces the 5D3 which I don't think they want to do after just 6 months

so i'm not shocked by the claims for not much in the way of new bodies for Photokina (the cheap D600 might give them some issues though unless they have enough 5D2 to dump off, if not then lack of a 6D or 7D or 8D might be a touch of a surprise, depending)

[AG]

First you all complain of new higher prices, then complain when there is nothing new to buy.

+1

As for people wanting a new cheaper FF camera i don't really see the point from Canons POV.

To me is seems like the only real people that would have benefitted from the 5D "Lite" (or whatever its going to be called) are people that rely on the AF and the current 5D2's is not good enough but cant justify the cash to upgrade to the 5D3.

Starting out video shooters would still go either go the 5D3 or 5D2. Really new shooters usually go the 550D/600D/650D/60D/7D (budget depending).

And now it seems like the people at Canon PR have decided that instead of building a DSLR that will in reality be focused towards video shooters, they have decided to go C100 for the indy/alternative video crowd.

Sure it may not be "cheap" in the traditional sense, but the camera is made for people that usually rent instead of own. This way some of them may invest in their own camera bodies for a change.

Yes we are still going to have a huge segment that cant afford it because even at $6k (street) Canon have put it out of reach of new film makers, but thats also why you can still use the 5D2/3.

So because of that i cant see a new "cheap" FF camera coming.

A new Crop to replace the 60D/7D on the other hand. Thats destined to happen.

[baronng]

I don't think there is new Entry Level FF from Canon
my take is
Canon will reduce the price of 5D3 from 3500 to 2500-2800 to fight against Nikon's D600, which will be priced at $2000 (Don't believe D600 will be priced at $1500!!!!)
Canon will release 3D to fight against D800; and 3D will be priced around $3500-$4000

You can see Canon can still sell 5D3 reasonably well even it is more expensive than Nikon's D800....
and you can see the price of the latest Canon L lenses are very high (70-200 f/2.8 IS, 24-70 f/2.8L II, 85 f/1.2L....etc)
So Canon's camera will always be more expensive than Nikon's
5D3's 2500 vs D600's 2000, and
3D's 3500 vs D800's 3000

Anyway, for those who have not yet invested a lot in Canon's L glasses
I think it is best time to jump to Nikon's D800 and their new cheaper FF line up (28 f/1.8, 50 f/1.8, 85 f/1.8, etc.)
Nikon definitely produce better camera

For me, I love Canon's lenses more so I will have to wait for cheaper 5D3...

[verysimplejason]

Simple logic says that Canon will produce a comparable FF priced within D600 range.  It's just a matter of taking care of the current "crop".  Professionals comes from Enthusiasts.  Enthusiasts comes from Amateurs.  If somehow some of those Enthusiasts jump to another system due to unavailability of a camera priced within his/her capability, he/she is lost already to the other camp.  Eventually your high-end cameras will suffer.

[Marsu42]

Canon will reduce the price of 5D3 from 3500 to 2500-2800 to fight against Nikon's D600

Imho: No, they won't, but I surely would hope for it. Unless I'd buy a 5d3, then I'd hope the price goes up :-)

They put all their current tech into the 5d3 - unfortunately w/o a real updated sensor - and would cannibalize their 1dx sales when competing against a $2000 Nikon. And this would be why they named the 5d3 as it is and strangely still produce the 5d2, the $2000 5d2 fills a gap that has to be replaced by another model.