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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #75 on: September 08, 2012, 12:48:48 PM »
Basically I want a 5D II with the 7D's AF.

It's called 5d3, well, ok it has 1dx's af but this is just for economical reasons to produce the af unit in quantities, with a 7d-af type it wouldn't be any cheaper. The 5d3 really is the camera people asked for, the problem is that they should have sold it at $2500 and not $3500.

Yip and I would love a 5D3.   Having a real tuff time with the price like so many others. I feel there will be a segment of the market ignored if this new FF is spec'd and marketed more towards the consumer crowd. 

Hopefully we will know a lot more soon. 

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #75 on: September 08, 2012, 12:48:48 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #76 on: September 08, 2012, 12:56:23 PM »
Hopefully we will know a lot more soon.

Same with me and the 5d3 price tag - and we'll both know sooner or later how much suffering and saving money it takes to buy it anyway eventually after the "entry-level ff" specs show that it's a consumer-oriented camera with lots of features cut.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #77 on: September 08, 2012, 01:18:46 PM »
Flip flash like xxD and 7D?  Or does this FF prevent flip flash like others?  :(

No, pop up flashes do work just fine for commander mode and fill flash - just use the D800 for a few minutes and you'll see how.  However if you are a tilt shift user, the flash has caused quite a bit of confusion among D800 users.  Because it hangs out so far, it does inhibit the shift knobs (unless you have the factory refurb to put tilt and shift in the same plane) and shift up movement.  Some control like Nikon does is way better than no control of remote flashes like Canon (with using a flash in the shoe or a flash commander in the shoe).

Just FYI.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #78 on: September 08, 2012, 01:56:25 PM »
Flip flash like xxD and 7D?  Or does this FF prevent flip flash like others?  :(
No, pop up flashes do work just fine for commander mode and fill flash

Often the pop-up flash is even better than a full flash on hotshoe because the optical axis is nearer the lens axis and unless you produce red eyes the drop shadow is smaller.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #79 on: September 08, 2012, 03:37:30 PM »
1. It's sad to see that many people are ready to settle for the 5D Mark II sensor, which is around 4 years old...
2. It's a lot more sad to see that not so many people are sick of Canon using the same/similar sensors for all cameras and their 'mix & match' strategy.

I don't know about the numbering myths, such as even & odd numbers in high-end product names but, if the rumored 6D - or whatever - is real, I'm sure even Canon isn't stupid enough to release it with 5D Mark II's sensor, which is totally NOT fine!

If 5d Mark III is really worth $3500, then the D800 is definitely worth more that $3000. So it's pretty clear to me that with lower profit margin, Nikon is trying to win back some market share and in the light of this, I see no reason for the rumored D600 to cost more than $2000. Will/Can Canon position the rumored 6D at around $2000? I doubt that...

If Canon don't radically change their strategies pretty soon, I believe we won't see any products to excite the masses like the 5D Mark II did. It'll always be customers on both sides of the satisfaction line and that will only help Nikon gain market share - which I don't care a bit but Canon should.


I don't get it. So it makes you "sad" that people like me are quite content with their 5DII. But also makes you "sad" that some people want something different. So what is it now?

And here's the thing. The "old" sensor is still professional grade and delivers. Sure, we all want to see improvements at some point, but we are reaching a point where (thank heavens!) the digital market is maturing a bit. Consumers are more than happy. Prosumers should be happy. Pros use whatever is available anyway and make it work. Maybe we're coming back to a point where 4-year old camera isn't considered ancient. Which would increase perhaps the demand for better build quality instead of esoteric megapixel and technology terms and adding useless features.

Sure, I also get that the two big and few small camera manufacturers are in the camera selling business. Like they have been over the last several decades. Business models shift and they've done a pretty good job with survival (other not so much) and actually turning a profit with proactive marketing and development strategies.

Let's cut them some slack here. We should all be grateful that especially Canon is still keeping up a business model that makes money by selling to consumers and P&S moms & dads - while maintaining a full and extensive pro line that isn't really much of a moneymaker but really just there to carry the image of the brand = with a few lucky exception like the 5DII for example that sold to pros and consumers alike. Why not milk that a bit more by shifting that technology out to people who so far couldn't or wouldn't afford it? I know quite a few people who would be more than happy to have a 5DII sensor in their cameras. We all have out preferences and I could easily dream up my preferred DSLR - which other than me maybe 5 people in the world would be interested in (think FD manual lens F1n style body with a 5D-type sensor...).

In real life and in the hands of a good photographer I challenge you to tell if an image was shot with a 5DII, 5DIII, 1DsIII, 1DX or 800E.
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #80 on: September 08, 2012, 03:43:09 PM »
1. It's sad to see that many people are ready to settle for the 5D Mark II sensor, which is around 4 years old...
2. It's a lot more sad to see that not so many people are sick of Canon using the same/similar sensors for all cameras and their 'mix & match' strategy.

I don't know about the numbering myths, such as even & odd numbers in high-end product names but, if the rumored 6D - or whatever - is real, I'm sure even Canon isn't stupid enough to release it with 5D Mark II's sensor, which is totally NOT fine!

If 5d Mark III is really worth $3500, then the D800 is definitely worth more that $3000. So it's pretty clear to me that with lower profit margin, Nikon is trying to win back some market share and in the light of this, I see no reason for the rumored D600 to cost more than $2000. Will/Can Canon position the rumored 6D at around $2000? I doubt that...

If Canon don't radically change their strategies pretty soon, I believe we won't see any products to excite the masses like the 5D Mark II did. It'll always be customers on both sides of the satisfaction line and that will only help Nikon gain market share - which I don't care a bit but Canon should.


I don't get it. So it makes you "sad" that people like me are quite content with their 5DII. But also makes you "sad" that some people want something different. So what is it now?

And here's the thing. The "old" sensor is still professional grade and delivers. Sure, we all want to see improvements at some point, but we are reaching a point where (thank heavens!) the digital market is maturing a bit. Consumers are more than happy. Prosumers should be happy. Pros use whatever is available anyway and make it work. Maybe we're coming back to a point where 4-year old camera isn't considered ancient. Which would increase perhaps the demand for better build quality instead of esoteric megapixel and technology terms and adding useless features.

Sure, I also get that the two big and few small camera manufacturers are in the camera selling business. Like they have been over the last several decades. Business models shift and they've done a pretty good job with survival (other not so much) and actually turning a profit with proactive marketing and development strategies.

Let's cut them some slack here. We should all be grateful that especially Canon is still keeping up a business model that makes money by selling to consumers and P&S moms & dads - while maintaining a full and extensive pro line that isn't really much of a moneymaker but really just there to carry the image of the brand = with a few lucky exception like the 5DII for example that sold to pros and consumers alike. Why not milk that a bit more by shifting that technology out to people who so far couldn't or wouldn't afford it? I know quite a few people who would be more than happy to have a 5DII sensor in their cameras. We all have out preferences and I could easily dream up my preferred DSLR - which other than me maybe 5 people in the world would be interested in (think FD manual lens F1n style body with a 5D-type sensor...).

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #81 on: September 08, 2012, 04:57:28 PM »
So it's a 5D II with a 7D AF system and my large nose is going to be hitting the touchscreen all the time?  I don't believe this rumor.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #81 on: September 08, 2012, 04:57:28 PM »

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« Reply #82 on: September 08, 2012, 05:04:40 PM »
If it has a touchscreen it must have a proximity sensor to deactivate it ala the iPhone.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #83 on: September 08, 2012, 05:34:04 PM »
I really dont understand this. The 5d MK IIs only disadvantage is the AF and drive speed, they both work hand in hand. You can get a 5D MK III for $3000 if you look around carefully.
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #84 on: September 09, 2012, 12:06:59 AM »
I don´t want or need a 6D. Not very interesting for me.
Says the guy with every canon body on the market. What about for us that just have an old t2i and want to break into the ff game?

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #85 on: September 09, 2012, 12:49:37 AM »
I don´t want or need a 6D. Not very interesting for me.
Says the guy with every canon body on the market. What about for us that just have an old t2i and want to break into the ff game?

+1.  Not everybody can afford the current Canon FF.  Not everybody is also a professional photographer who can spend more because it's his livelihood.  I'm still an amateur photographer.  If someone can sponsor me then it's ok but if not, I really hope they can lower the cost of producing one.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #86 on: September 09, 2012, 02:45:58 AM »
1. It's sad to see that many people are ready to settle for the 5D Mark II sensor, which is around 4 years old...
2. It's a lot more sad to see that not so many people are sick of Canon using the same/similar sensors for all cameras and their 'mix & match' strategy.

I don't know about the numbering myths, such as even & odd numbers in high-end product names but, if the rumored 6D - or whatever - is real, I'm sure even Canon isn't stupid enough to release it with 5D Mark II's sensor, which is totally NOT fine!

If 5d Mark III is really worth $3500, then the D800 is definitely worth more that $3000. So it's pretty clear to me that with lower profit margin, Nikon is trying to win back some market share and in the light of this, I see no reason for the rumored D600 to cost more than $2000. Will/Can Canon position the rumored 6D at around $2000? I doubt that...

If Canon don't radically change their strategies pretty soon, I believe we won't see any products to excite the masses like the 5D Mark II did. It'll always be customers on both sides of the satisfaction line and that will only help Nikon gain market share - which I don't care a bit but Canon should.


I don't get it. So it makes you "sad" that people like me are quite content with their 5DII. But also makes you "sad" that some people want something different. So what is it now?

And here's the thing. The "old" sensor is still professional grade and delivers. Sure, we all want to see improvements at some point, but we are reaching a point where (thank heavens!) the digital market is maturing a bit. Consumers are more than happy. Prosumers should be happy. Pros use whatever is available anyway and make it work. Maybe we're coming back to a point where 4-year old camera isn't considered ancient. Which would increase perhaps the demand for better build quality instead of esoteric megapixel and technology terms and adding useless features.

Sure, I also get that the two big and few small camera manufacturers are in the camera selling business. Like they have been over the last several decades. Business models shift and they've done a pretty good job with survival (other not so much) and actually turning a profit with proactive marketing and development strategies.

Let's cut them some slack here. We should all be grateful that especially Canon is still keeping up a business model that makes money by selling to consumers and P&S moms & dads - while maintaining a full and extensive pro line that isn't really much of a moneymaker but really just there to carry the image of the brand = with a few lucky exception like the 5DII for example that sold to pros and consumers alike. Why not milk that a bit more by shifting that technology out to people who so far couldn't or wouldn't afford it? I know quite a few people who would be more than happy to have a 5DII sensor in their cameras. We all have out preferences and I could easily dream up my preferred DSLR - which other than me maybe 5 people in the world would be interested in (think FD manual lens F1n style body with a 5D-type sensor...).

In real life and in the hands of a good photographer I challenge you to tell if an image was shot with a 5DII, 5DIII, 1DsIII, 1DX or 800E.

Maybe you should go back and read my post again, and of course the previous posts.

1. I'm not sad that people are content with their 5D Mark II's. Read again!
2. How'd you come up with the part the people wanting something different makes me sad?

One couldn't get my post more wrong! I wonder how you managed that...

It's very funny that you suggest, we should be "grateful" to a corporate company, cut them some slack and stuff like that. Are you a baseball coach or something?

I'm paying a premium for a Canon or Nikon product and I should be grateful? WTF???

And oh yeah, I can very well tell if an image was shot with a 5DII, 1DsIII, or 800E. I don't expect you to do it, because you think 5DII's sensor is still professional grade and you are grateful for it!
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #87 on: September 09, 2012, 03:41:40 AM »

[...]
And here's the thing. The "old" sensor is still professional grade and delivers.
[...]

The "old" sensor is fine if no one else worked on sensor technology in the past 3+ years.
Seeing as they have,  I would like my current vendor of choice to also strive to improve their offerings.



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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #87 on: September 09, 2012, 03:41:40 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #88 on: September 09, 2012, 04:14:07 AM »

[...]
And here's the thing. The "old" sensor is still professional grade and delivers.
[...]

The "old" sensor is fine if no one else worked on sensor technology in the past 3+ years.
Seeing as they have,  I would like my current vendor of choice to also strive to improve their offerings.

EXACTLY!
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #89 on: September 09, 2012, 04:29:10 AM »
Quote

Maybe you should go back and read my post again, and of course the previous posts.

1. I'm not sad that people are content with their 5D Mark II's. Read again!
2. How'd you come up with the part the people wanting something different makes me sad?

One couldn't get my post more wrong! I wonder how you managed that...

It's very funny that you suggest, we should be "grateful" to a corporate company, cut them some slack and stuff like that. Are you a baseball coach or something?

I'm paying a premium for a Canon or Nikon product and I should be grateful? WTF???

And oh yeah, I can very well tell if an image was shot with a 5DII, 1DsIII, or 800E. I don't expect you to do it, because you think 5DII's sensor is still professional grade and you are grateful for it!

I see your point. We should get better stuff in new body. I think that info about 5D Mk II sensor was just a typo. It would be a "little bit" unwise decision to re-use 4 years old tech. My bet would be for 5D Mk III/1D-X/new 20 MPx sensor paired with single Digic 5/5+. New sensor mentioned @ http://photorumors.com/2012/09/08/canon-rumored-to-announce-a-nikon-d600-competitor-at-photokina/ . With one of those sensors, 7D AF and metring, build quality as 7D I can see 6D as a well selling product. Maybe the new sensor would get "upgrade" for auto AF in video (STM lenses)...

I wont expect more pro features, like 61 point AF or so. Keep in mind that it should be entry level. You should not expect too much. If someone wants all-around camera - there is 5D Mk III. Maybe Canon decides to compete with lower price...we need to wait a little longer...

...and if you want quality of D800/E sensor then buy one  ;) Maybe Canon high MPx body will be alike but I doubt that it would be in the same price range. And also high MPx body is just a rumor, it may be announced this year,  may be next year...only Canon knows. Ive seen info that they are waiting for initial sales demand for 5D Mk III and 1D-X to be achieved...my bet would be some time next summer with 4K price tag.

Little off topic:

Well, Ive been thinking about 40 f/2.8 STM. Why produce FF lens with STM when you dont have FF sensor that supports new combined AF for video ? Look a little bit weird to me...unless you have new sensor/body in testing before production. Just my thoughts...
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
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