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Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« on: September 10, 2012, 12:19:33 PM »
Hello,

Wondering if anyone knows of a wide angle lens that is compatible with both crop sensor and full frame cameras?

Shooting on a 60d now but anticipating upgrading in the next few years.  I am aware of the 16-35L but it's out of my price range.  Any other options out there?

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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2012, 01:11:49 PM »
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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2012, 01:35:37 PM »
I have read that some have used the Tokina 11-16 successfully on FF at 16mm only even though it's designed for crop bodies.

If you are willing to keep the crop body when you upgrade to FF, it might make sense to get a crop UWA lens.  Canon's 10-22, Sigma's 8-16 and Tokina's 11-16 are all highly rated, less expensive and will perform comparably on crop bodies as the 16-35 will on FF.

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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2012, 02:43:30 PM »
Hello,

Wondering if anyone knows of a wide angle lens that is compatible with both crop sensor and full frame cameras?

Shooting on a 60d now but anticipating upgrading in the next few years.  I am aware of the 16-35L but it's out of my price range.  Any other options out there?

Thanks!

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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2012, 03:54:03 PM »
i tried my buddies tokina 11-16 on my 5d3, and it does work - sort of...

at 16 you don 't see the black ring, but the quality suffers a little bit.
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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2012, 04:14:09 PM »
Shooting on a 60d now but anticipating upgrading in the next few years.  I am aware of the 16-35L but it's out of my price range.  Any other options out there?
The Sigma 12-24 would be your only real option, as anything else sacrifices far too much on the wide end (16mm+) to be considered ultra-wide on crop. The difference between 10/11mm and 16mm is very big, and I don't think its worth the trade off for thousands of pictures on the hope you might move to full-frame in a few years

I have a Tokina 11-16, but the 10-22 and 8-16 mentioned would be equally good. And they all hold their value well (being well regarded), so you can probably trade them straight up for a 17-40 when/if you move to full-frame. Or, Canon may have an even better wide angle by then.

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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2012, 04:31:08 PM »
I think there is no perfect solution if you are not going to upgrade to FF in the coming months.  I would suggest

1. Canon 10-22mm
2. Sigma 12-24mm

Canon 10-22mm has good IQ, but not great IQ.  It's still good but don't expect it would be as good as 16-35mm.  The only disadvantages are you cannot use it on FF body and the resell value is bad(I sold my 6 month 10-22 with UV and hood for 600 only).

Sigma 12-24mm can used on both APS-C and FF body with wide enough angle.  I didn't like it because the IQ is not that good for me.  I cannot tell that's because I got a bad copy or what.

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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2012, 05:02:49 PM »
I've got the Sigma 8-16mm, and it will work at 15-16mm or so on FF. Compared to the Sigma 12-24 on FF, I reckon the 8-16 on crop produces better images.
It's one of the better crop-UWAs, use it for the widest angles outdoors. The tokina 11-16 f/2.8 is for indoors, and the EFs 10-22 is the halfway compromise.

Unfortunately, there's not much else to choose from. Two versions of the Sigma 12-24 (version 1 for rectilinear but slightly soft, version 2 is sharper but barrel distorted) are your best bets. Or maybe just a 14mm Prime? Samyang for the cheap, Canon L for the less distortion.
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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2012, 05:18:20 PM »
Agree with many others here, the Canon EFS 10-22, new or used is a great Wide angle for a crop sensor body. I had one with my 40D, sold it when moving to the 5DIII. It offers a great range effectively giving you a 16-35 field of view on your 60D.

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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2012, 05:20:27 PM »
I've got the Sigma 8-16mm, and it will work at 15-16mm or so on FF. Compared to the Sigma 12-24 on FF, I reckon the 8-16 on crop produces better images.
It's one of the better crop-UWAs, use it for the widest angles outdoors. The tokina 11-16 f/2.8 is for indoors, and the EFs 10-22 is the halfway compromise.

Unfortunately, there's not much else to choose from. Two versions of the Sigma 12-24 (version 1 for rectilinear but slightly soft, version 2 is sharper but barrel distorted) are your best bets. Or maybe just a 14mm Prime? Samyang for the cheap, Canon L for the less distortion.
Do you have any experience with Samyang 14mm?  Some reviews say this lens is good except for distortion.  Is that's possible to correct the distortion from lightroom?  By the way some people on Amazon report the lens will get dust easily, how is the build quality of this lens?
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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2012, 06:47:30 PM »
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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2012, 08:25:23 PM »
Do you have any experience with Samyang 14mm?  Some reviews say this lens is good except for distortion.  Is that's possible to correct the distortion from lightroom?  By the way some people on Amazon report the lens will get dust easily, how is the build quality of this lens?

I haven't used the Samyang 14mm, only the 35mm.
The IQ is excellent, and the build quality is not us to zeiss/takumar standards, but it's good enough (mine was bought second-hand after a fall, the bits that broke were small bits of plastic, they'd survive normal use but not a fall). With the 35mm, dust could get inside the mechanism, but not between the elements, can't comment on the 14 in that respect.
With regards to the 14mm, from all reports it even beats the Canon L at some settings. But because of the barrel distortion (like 5% or so), resolution is really high in the centre. I'm sure you could de-barrel it, even manually (take a test shot of a brick wall or print a grid and save the numbers you use to get it square), then centre res would be a bit less. Still, at 1/4 the price of the L, it can't be beaten for the money...
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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2012, 10:00:25 PM »
I'd recommend buying a 10-22 for now, and once you get a FF, get a FF lens. 
Trying to make a crop lens work on a FF body is wasting your time and your money.  It might be fun to play with, but after investing $$$ in a FF body, get a proper lens.
Besides, by the time you go FF, Canon may have a new wide lens that you will want for your FF body.

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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2012, 10:00:25 PM »

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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2012, 10:07:46 PM »
I'd recommend buying a 10-22 for now, and once you get a FF, get a FF lens. 
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Besides, by the time you go FF, Canon may have a new wide lens that you will want for your FF body.

+1 the resale value is pretty good on the 10-22...
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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2012, 02:08:18 AM »
I'd recommend buying a 10-22 for now, and once you get a FF, get a FF lens. 
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Besides, by the time you go FF, Canon may have a new wide lens that you will want for your FF body.

+1 the resale value is pretty good on the 10-22...
Are you sure the resell value of 10-22mm is good?  I had posted my 6 months 10-22mm on CL for two weeks and asking for 650 in bay area.  No one offered more than 600 for it.  In the last, I had to compromise the price 600 USD.  6 month lens for only about 75% resell value.

bradfordswood,
If you are not planing to upgrade to FF anytime soon, you really can consider 10-22mm.  Actually that's good for you because you know you may not upgrade to FF anytime soon.  I bought 10-22mm when I was not sure if I would upgrade to FF or not.  In five month, I upgraded to 5D2.  I had used the 10-22mm less than 10 times.  I feel I wasted my money.  However, I have a lot of fun with that lens.
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Re: Wide Angle for Crop and FF?
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