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Re: Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2012, 10:55:06 AM »
70-200mm L 2.8 is a brilliant lens. If you need IS you could have a compromise by selling the 70-200mm and buying a 70-200mm MKI IS which will give you a better hit rate with the IS and buy a 5D MKIII and with its AF youll be sorted.

Only about £500 extra for MKI IS after selling a 70-200mm L 2.8. 
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Re: Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2012, 10:55:06 AM »

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Re: Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2012, 11:15:30 AM »
I'm debating my upgrade path.  I usually go for better quality glass over body upgrades, but I'm not sure on this one. 

Do I upgrade my Canon 70-200 non-is 2.8 to the new IS version II of the lens or would it make more sense to keep my older 70-200 2.8 and upgrade my body from the original 5D classic to the new 5D mark III?  I'm drooling over the new auto focus system on the 5d mark III but since I shoot sports with a crop camera I'm not sure if I need it.  Maybe at 7D and the 70-200 2.8 IS II would be warranted?

I shoot motocross (sports) with my 50D as it has the 1.6 crop factor (free zoom) and a better 9 cross point autofocus vs 1 cross point on the 5d classic.  I shoot weddings and general photography/events with the 5d and I consider the 5d my main camera with the 50d being backup unless I shoot the aforementioned motocross or maybe birds. 

I love the shallower depth of field that I can achieve when using the full frame 5d vs the crop.  It's like getting more expensive lenses with lower maximum aperture when comparing to the crop body.  I will always have a full frame.  I will probably always have a crop too though for the extra reach.

I also need something for video as well.  I'm currently using the T1i for video, but it is up for sale at the time to fund this upgrade.  I do some how to videos and make some short films.  I do have a canon 1080P video camera for this as well (not as nice as the DSLR's though).

So whats the better upgrade, the 5D to 5D mark III or the 70-200 2.8 non-IS to the 70-200 2.8 IS version II or some other path?

This advise is coming from someone who made the exact same upgrade path. I skipped the MK2 series Btw.

GLASS FIRST! Bodies Second.

If you lack a telephoto lens like the 70-200. Get that first. You can have a mk3 but without the reach, Why bother?

Once you've got all your lens line-up complete, Then invest into whatever body you want. Never deprive yourself of good glass. As for sports, I'm sure you can manage with the bodies you have but the Lenses, You need them more.

I Purchased a MK3 only to replace my dying 5Dc, and For the AF. I never saw the MK2 as enough of an upgrade to justify its purchase.
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Re: Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2012, 11:59:46 AM »
If you lack a telephoto lens like the 70-200. Get that first. You can have a mk3 but without the reach, Why bother?
He *has* the 70-200 2.8, just not the newest. Normally I'd second your 'glass first' adage, but in this case: TS, get the 5D3. It is a *big* step up from the 5D.

In the low light situations having a stop or more of better high iso coverage with a new body would be just as good as upgrading all of my lenses I suppose.  The 5d mark III is just so expensive. 
The standard set of f/4-zooms will currently set you back about 2750 euro The 16-35, 24-70II and 70-200II cost something like 5750 euro - the difference will pay for a 5D3. That'll give you all the low light capacity you'll need (unlike the 1 stop you gain with the 2.8's) and if you want smaller DOF, you probably should get primes anyway. That's my upgrade path, anyway ;)
« Last Edit: September 14, 2012, 12:01:50 PM by Rat »
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Re: Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2012, 12:01:29 PM »
If you lack a telephoto lens like the 70-200. Get that first. You can have a mk3 but without the reach, Why bother?
He *has* the 70-200 2.8, just not the newest. Normally I'd second your 'glass first' adage, but in this case: TS, get the 5D3. It is a *big* step up from the 5D.

In the low light situations having a stop or more of better high iso coverage with a new body would be just as good as upgrading all of my lenses I suppose.  The 5d mark III is just so expensive. 
The standard set of f/4-zooms will currently set you back about 2750 euro The 16-35, 24-70II and 70-200II cost something like 5750 euro - the difference will pay for a 5D3. That'll give you all the low light capacity you'll need (unlike the 1 stop you gain with the 2.8's) and if you want smaller DOF, you probably should get primes anyway.

Get the Version II with IS. Much better investment or consider the 7D. Its 8 FPS are much better and keep the reach.
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Re: Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2012, 12:03:42 PM »
Get the Version II with IS. Much better investment.
I don't think he cares about the ROI. I think he wants to take photographs with it.

(edit: he hasn't said a word about the need for 8fps and he's already shooting with a 5D so 'keep the reach' is for another thread, I think. Pls read the... oh never mind.)
« Last Edit: September 14, 2012, 12:09:15 PM by Rat »
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Re: Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2012, 12:05:50 PM »
Get the Version II with IS. Much better investment.
I don't think he cares about the ROI. I think he wants to take photographs with it.

Yes, Like slower shutter speed portraits Eh?  :P

He does need a body for video also rat. He's selling his t1i and could sell the 50D = 7D body price, and still keep money for the 70-200 IS II, but your not that naive right?
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Re: Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2012, 01:20:19 PM »
The OP's options are:

5dc + 70-200mm 2.8 IS II
5d3 + 70-200mm 2.8 non-IS

He currently has the 5dc and the non-IS lens.  What does the "glass first" approach buy him?  IS and a bit more sharpness?  For sports, the IS won't help that much (since he'll need a higher shutter speed to freeze the action and is likely shooting from a stable position.)  For weddings, the IS is helpful, but not nearly as much compared to the extra 2 to 4 stops in usable ISO.  (After all, IS doesn't freeze subjects that are in motion.)

The "body first" approach gets him dramatically better AF (good for sports) and dramatically better low light IQ (great for weddings.)  Also, as said before, the additional resolution mitigates the crop value of his 50D for sports.  The 5d3 will also be superior for video than the T1i (plus providing him a nicer DOF due to the FF). 

"Glass first" is just a rule of thumb, and it certainly doesn't mean "body never".  In this case, the OP already has a very good L telephoto.  His body, however, is outdated and his causing him to miss far more shots than the lack of IS on his zoom.

This is a no brainer--get the 5d3.

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Re: Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II
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Re: Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2012, 02:21:44 PM »
I think i agree with the last poster.  In this case, the advantages of the new body are so high over the OPs current body and will apply to ALL his current glass (and that glass is already excellent).  The new 70-200 II sounds awesome for sure, but does not provide the verstility jump that the new body would.

I too am a 5D owner looking to upgrade in the next year or so.  I've been considering how much of a body upgrade is worth it.  If you think about the fact hte body is 2 generations newer, and on top of that the current generation of 5D has MANY more pro-features than the previous two - it starts to become more clear how much value the body can bring.

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Re: Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2012, 02:07:46 PM »
The OP's options are:

5dc + 70-200mm 2.8 IS II
5d3 + 70-200mm 2.8 non-IS

He currently has the 5dc and the non-IS lens. This is a no brainer--get the 5d3.

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Ok I finally (9 months later) made the decision to upgrade to the 5d Mark iii.  I'm going to sell the 50D (already sold the t1i) and keep the 5d classic as a second shooter. 

I was able to order the 5d mark iii with the Canon loyalty program and get 15% off the regular refurbished price of @2799 directly from canon.  I still had to pay tax, but shipping was free and they are giving my a canon camera bag the dx200 I believe. 

I really think the 5d mark iii will allow me to get quite a few shots that I have been missing.  Nothing is more frustrating than having what looks like a perfect shot in the viewfinder and having the focus be off in the final picture result on the desktop.

Oh, and I'm really excited to try out the eye-fi wireless sd card and have my pictures show up on my retina display ipad.  It will help so much with being able to tell if I got the shot or if something is off.  The Ipad has better resolution than my desktop computer so in theory it will be even better than using the desktop for previews.


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Good Decision.  Your older lens is still excellent, and a new body will take advantage of it.  I usually recommend a new lens over a new body, but in your situation, you'll get more from a new body.

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