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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2012, 09:59:17 AM »
The 5D3's AF takes a wet dump on the d600. They shouldn't even be compared here, now the d800 on ther other hand... That's the real competition to the 5D3.

D600 isn't competing with 5D3.  There are more than $1K reasons why...

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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2012, 09:59:17 AM »

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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2012, 10:05:35 AM »
The 5D3's AF takes a wet dump on the d600. They shouldn't even be compared here, now the d800 on ther other hand... That's the real competition to the 5D3.

D600 isn't competing with 5D3.  There are more than $1K reasons why...

Because its 1k$ more camera.

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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2012, 12:17:00 PM »
Price is based from Amazon:
Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II --> $3500+$2300 = $5800
Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24 --> $2100 + $1900 + $2000 = $6000

Maybe it's time to switch to Nikon or Sony, unless canon can react fast. They are lossing the price war to Nikon and Sony(A99), plus their sensor is not as good as Sony's which are used by some of the Nikon models...

I guess Canon is focusing more on the video camera than still camera...

BTW, I just cancel my pre-order for EOS-M and ordered Sony Nex 6, the CMOS sensor (image quality) used in EOS M is not as good as Sony's previous generation Nex 5N.
"Price war"?  There is no price war.  Canon are making great products and selling them at reasonable prices, as are Nikon and Sony.  None of them are set on being the ultimate price-cutters in some imaginary price war.  People buy what meets their needs and preferences, and price is not the only factor.  If price were the only factor, we would all buy the cheapest camera and nothing more.

The 5D3 and D600 are not exact matches for each other anyway (it never works that way).  The 5D3 is built to professional specifications and offers great autofocus, an extended ISO range and variable raw file sizes — advantages for pros who shoot thousands of raw files in day.  The D600 is prosumer — the Nikon press release emphasized over and over that it's for "enthusiasts". 

Despite what some people say, camera prices are related to the resources that go into them.  The camera business is more like the automobile business than the software business.  If a camera is priced at $3.5K or $8K or $30K or whatever, it is not "just because they can" but because a heck of a lot of resources go into delivering a camera of that specification.  When a camera is priced significantly lower, you can bet that fewer resources went into.  (Of course, the lower-priced camera is often a better match for more people's needs and budgets.)

Want a Canon camera that's cheaper than the 5D3?  Canon offers about seven DSLRs that are cheaper than the 5D3.  Or wait for the next Canon full-frame.  New cameras and lenses are released every year.  I don't see how people make decisions about one brand or another based on what is available this month.  If so, they must be changing brands every few months.

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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2012, 07:27:03 PM »
If a camera is priced at $3.5K or $8K or $30K or whatever, it is not "just because they can" but because a heck of a lot of resources go into delivering a camera of that specification.


Then by that measure if Canon re-tooled their factor to have gold plated machines they could charge 40k for a 5D iii because more resources went into making it.  :o

You have it backwards, the amount of resources put into a camera is in direct relationship with the amount of money a manufacturer thinks they can charge. Thats what entrepreneurs do, anticipate market demand, and then meet that demand in the most efficient manner.

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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2012, 08:17:15 PM »
Then by that measure if Canon re-tooled their factor to have gold plated machines they could charge 40k for a 5D iii because more resources went into making it.  :o
No, that's not what I'm saying.  That is taking things to the absurd.  It's neither realistic nor rational.
You have it backwards, the amount of resources put into a camera is in direct relationship with the amount of money a manufacturer thinks they can charge. Thats what entrepreneurs do, anticipate market demand, and then meet that demand in the most efficient manner.
And that is what I'm saying ... though perhaps not clearly enough.  They decide at the start, before the product is built, how much they think they can charge.  Then they build a product that will deliver a profit at that price.  If they set the price lower, then they will necessarily deliver a lesser product.  If they set the price higher, then they can build a better product to a higher specification.  That's why I said, when a camera is priced significantly lower, you can bet that fewer resources went into it.  And that's why when buying cameras [or lenses], we don't simply choose the cheapest one.  And that's why, when comparing manufacturers' systems, we don't simply look for who is "winning the price war".  When one camera costs more, there is often a good reason for it — you can see it in the level of quality and durability and the specific ways it meets users' needs — every bit of which took additional resources to build.
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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2012, 08:23:11 PM »
The 5D3's AF takes a wet dump on the d600. They shouldn't even be compared here, now the d800 on ther other hand... That's the real competition to the 5D3.

D600 isn't competing with 5D3.  There are more than $1K reasons why...

Because its 1k$ more camera.

Yup, that's why.  In anyway you see it.

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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2012, 08:43:44 PM »
Whiners... whiners... whiners....

Camera manufacturers cannot please everybody, SMH  ::)

Quit complaining and switch to your preferred brand. NO one is going to stop you. :P


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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2012, 08:43:44 PM »

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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2012, 08:50:08 PM »
Whiners... whiners... whiners....

Camera manufacturers cannot please everybody, SMH  ::)

Quit complaining and switch to your preferred brand. NO one is going to stop you. :P

Well, it's better to talk of something than talk of nothing.  Anyway, it's all about rumors.  There are other sections in this forum btw.  It's not all about whining.  :)

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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2012, 09:05:15 PM »
I agree, but some people here talk like threatening to switch if canon doesn't create a camera according to their standards... I'm like, really?!?  ;D

Whiners... whiners... whiners....

Camera manufacturers cannot please everybody, SMH  ::)

Quit complaining and switch to your preferred brand. NO one is going to stop you. :P

Well, it's better to talk of something than talk of nothing.  Anyway, it's all about rumors.  There are other sections in this forum btw.  It's not all about whining.  :)
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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2012, 09:57:29 PM »
I agree, but some people here talk like threatening to switch if canon doesn't create a camera according to their standards... I'm like, really?!?  ;D

Whiners... whiners... whiners....

Camera manufacturers cannot please everybody, SMH  ::)

Quit complaining and switch to your preferred brand. NO one is going to stop you. :P

Well, it's better to talk of something than talk of nothing.  Anyway, it's all about rumors.  There are other sections in this forum btw.  It's not all about whining.  :)
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Actually I envy them whining about their 5D3, 5D2, 1DX, 1D4.  WTH, I'm still working my way to my very first full frame. :)  But I can see something good out of this.  Maybe, Canon will hear these and strive to upgrade their products more.  Well, we can whine, take photos, discuss techniques, and discuss the photos that we've taken.  At least there's a variety of what we can talk about.

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Re: Price : Canon 5D Mark III + 24-70 II == Nikon D600 + 24-70 + 14-24
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2012, 09:57:29 PM »