Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?

[dilbert]

Nikon and Sony have completely out foxed Canon.

Canon's first big mistake was putting only 22MP in the 5D3 with a sensor that performs about the same as the 5D2.

Having learnt from the lesson of the 1Ds3/5D2, Canon did not want to introduce a "lesser camera" (6D) than the 5D3 with the same sensor because lots of would-be purchasers of the 5D3 would simply buy the 6D instead. So the 6D will have 20MP to stop it stealing sales from those who want more MP (22) from the 5D3.

Where Nikon has outfoxed Canon is that their camera at about the same price ($2099 is close enough to $1999) but with 20% more pixels. Nikon were able to deliver a 24MP FF camera at $2099 because their next model up camera has substantially more megapixels - 36.

Canon's product lineup below the 1DX is screwed. They really need to throw it out and start over.

And why does Canon need to do that?

Because the number of megapixels in their sensors is now too low. And if megapixels didn't matter then why wouldn't the 6D have the same, if not more, than the 5D3?

[RGomezPhotos]

I think these specs make a lot of sense. For the REAL beginner, this is a pretty darn nice camera.  This is basically a Super Rebel.  And I really like Rebels.  Yes, the 1/4000 shutter speed isn't great. But even as a semi-pro, I rarely use it. An amateur even less.

I see this as a $1200 - $1500 camera.  So it will under-cut the Nikon D600 by about $500 if I am right. If I was a beginner and wanted full-frame at the lowest price, I'd have to choose the Canon. I consider the Nikon to be a better camera, sans the metal body.  But money is money.

Except for the shutter speed, this really does replace the old 5DMKII.  If I had to choose between the 5DMKII and the 6D, it would be a tough call. Performance vs. Features. As a semi-pro, performance is more important and it's the 5DMKII.

But there is a large price gap now. It would make sense if they put in this new 20MP full-frame sensor and built-in WiFi/GPS into a 7DMKII and price it right there in the middle. That would be a damn fine camera.

[willis]

So that picture.... Mixed 5D2 and 7D with like 650D inputs? HAH!

[funkboy]

My question is:  if it is indeed 20MP, why the heck did they develop yet another FF sensor?  Or are these things now as easy to sling together as a happy meal from mcdonalds?  Surely it would have cost less to make dumbed-down slower versions of either the 5dIII or 1DX sensors (or maybe even re-jig the old 5dII sensor) than to develop yet another one from scratch?

Perhaps they needed to go the route of yet another FF sensor because it's their first FF design with an integrated phase-detect AF sensor like the 650D?

[dilbert]

Yup, at $1200-$1500, this camera would sell. And sell well.

But at the same price as the D600, who's going to buy it?

If you've got an APS-C Canon DSLR and "L" lenses then you're probably in a position to buy the 6D but would you?

When you look at it, $2000 for 24MP Nikon D600 or $2000 for 20MP Canon 6D.

Who's going to think that the Canon is a good purchase? Nobody... people will buy it because they feel like there is no other choice, not because they want to.

[daniel_charms]

My question is:  if it is indeed 20MP, why the heck did they develop yet another FF sensor?

They're Canon. They did it because they can.

[Marsu42]

Where Nikon has outfoxed Canon is that their camera at about the same price ($2099 is close enough to $1999) but with 20% more pixels. Nikon were able to deliver a 24MP FF camera at $2099 because their next model up camera has substantially more megapixels - 36. Canon's product lineup below the 1DX is screwed. They really need to throw it out and start over.

Your post is interesting in so far as this "pixel counting" is the exact thing most inexperienced users will do, and that drives the sales of the bulk of non-pro camera bodies.

Of course if you look at the resulting picture sizes no one gives a damn about the differences between 18mp and 24mp, if you want a real usable difference it's 36mp+ like the the d800. It's much more about iso performance, dynamic range at various iso levels, camera firmware features like af tracking, handling and build quality. All these things aren't in the "core" specs but are much more important than a little more or less mp.

[NotABunny]

For the price, the specs sound acceptable, but the details are going to make it or break it for me. More specifically, the combination between an autoexposure that exposes the subject properly (meaning low light or backlit scenes) and shadow recovery (so I can use the RAW to get around the bad autoexposure).

[simonxu11]

Nikon D600 got a very positive preview from Imaging-Resource

"Many of you will doubtless find yourselves equally impressed--not just with the samples, but with what this camera offers in terms of bang for the buck. That's almost certainly going to mean demand outstrips supply for the foreseeable future. Our advice? Get in queue now, before it gets even longer."

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/09/13/hot-off-the-press-huge-nikon-d600-gallery-posted

[verysimplejason]

My question is:  if it is indeed 20MP, why the heck did they develop yet another FF sensor?

They're Canon. They did it because they can.

As long as they can increase the DR, 20MP is enough.

[samirachiko]

if the rumor specs are correct. I have no intention to buy this body. even for $1500

Agree with you!

At least an articulated screen, CF cards!, built in time-lapse, something new for who love taking video ecc....

Without these features, for the first time in my life I will buy a Nikon camera: D600........
COME ON CANON!!! WAKE UP!!!

[ecka]

Most likely, these specs are just made up, because:
a) "APS-C Sized body" doesn't make any sense. Maybe some bits were lost in translation, so we've got "APS-C Sized body" instead of "APS-C Sized sensor" and those are 70D specs.
b) "11 AF Points, f/2.8 Cross-type in the center" doesn't make much sense as well. How many cross-type in the center? 1? 5? 7?  60D and 650D got all 9 cross-type.
c) If "APS-C Sized body" somehow means that it is smaller than 5D/1D, then I doubt that it would be xD series camera. SD card slots are reasonable for smaller bodies. However, a single SD card slot in $2000 body is just ridiculous and if they did that just to keep the price as low as possible, then the "Built-in Wifi & GPS", "Weathersealed" body and a new FF sensor doesn't make sense at all.
d) IMHO, only 5D(something) can replace the 5D2. Writing random numbers on cameras is a Nikon thing, not Canon. Let's call it 5D2minusCF 

[Canon-F1]

I see this as a $1200 - $1500 camera. 

ROTFL.....

[CanNotYet]

I actually spoke to a Canon salesperson today, and he said there were "rumors" within the company, that a new cheaper FF is in the works. Metal body, price just a little less than a 7D. If this is the one he was speaking of, I'd be first in line. These specs for 2k = joke. These specs for 1.2k = GIEF!

[Canon-F1]

Metal body, price just a little less than a 7D. If this is the one he was speaking of, I'd be first in line. These specs for 2k = joke. These specs for 1.2k = GIEF!

i say no way.... i would even bet on it.

i would be suprised if it cost more then 200$ less then the D600.