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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #315 on: September 15, 2012, 11:05:24 AM »
Nikon and Sony have completely out foxed Canon.

Totally irrelevant. What matters is if they out sell Canon.  For the past several years, they have demonstrated a complete lack of ability to do so.  Keep in mind, superior technical specs aren't the whole story - if they were, Betamax would have beaten VHS.

Oh I think that the D800/D600 will quite easily outsell the 5D3/6D.

There are hoards of 5D2 users that won't go near either the 5D3 or the 6D not to forget that the D800 is being well reviewed everywhere (plus there is the "D800e".) The superior technical specs are backed by lower price at the top end and equivalent price at the bottom end.

For any given pile of money, Nikon has a more compelling story than Canon when it comes to DSLRs.

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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #316 on: September 15, 2012, 11:12:33 AM »
Why is the number of AF points a better measuring stick than megapixels?
I typically only use 1 AF point, so if the camera has 65, 64 of them are useless to me.
And when one isn't good enough, I use live view.

Whereas I can use every megapixel with every photograph.

As it is with AF points, it is the quality of them that matters more than the number of them. If the 6D had 39 AF points that worked about as well as the 5D2's 11 then it wouldn't matter if it had 39 or 390 - only one of them would actually be of use. So it all depends on if the 6D will have 11 AF points then is the AF module simply a 5D2 "spare part" or a completely new module.

Oh, as for SD vs CF. It's a pointless comparison. It's a place to put digital photographs, nothing more. If the camera didn't have such a thing then that would be a problem.

It's called being functional --- Canon body experience --- XSI, 7d, 5d2, 5d3.  The difference in AF on the 7d and 5d2 is miles wideand the 5d3 AF is miles ahead of the 7d.  So yeah, MY expectation from a $2000 camera is that the AF would at least be on par with the 7d. 

SD vs CF.  It's interesting because the 5d has both for convenient comparison ---where I can shoot as much as I damn want writing to CF, when it switches to SD, 3-4 shots and you get the red writing data light.  I have found that the SD write speed is sooo slow that I don't even bother with putting an SD in there.  CF cards of any speed though are lightening fast.  Again, functionality ---this spec sheet has little to none of it.

That sounds like a firmware bug to me because the difference between the two formats should not be that large.

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MP's, so i guess the 1dx is worthless to you at 18 MP, and the nikon d4 must be an utter piece of garbage at 16.2 MP?  Need I say more?

Yes, both are useless to me. Now a Phase One IQ180 back with 80MP.... mmmm

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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #317 on: September 15, 2012, 11:16:07 AM »

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MP's, so i guess the 1dx is worthless to you at 18 MP, and the nikon d4 must be an utter piece of garbage at 16.2 MP?  Need I say more?

Yes, both are useless to me. Now a Phase One IQ180 back with 80MP.... mmmm

Wow, so if thats what you expect then go to the MF forums because nothing canon or nikon is making will live up to your expectations...
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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #318 on: September 15, 2012, 11:19:08 AM »
Nikon and Sony have completely out foxed Canon.

Totally irrelevant. What matters is if they out sell Canon.  For the past several years, they have demonstrated a complete lack of ability to do so.  Keep in mind, superior technical specs aren't the whole story - if they were, Betamax would have beaten VHS.

A lone voice of reason.

I can't believe this thread: 21 pages filled with enough whines for several vineyards. And, all over rumored specifications.

For years I've had to endure full frame fetishists telling 7D owners how inferior APS-C sensors are and how they are so discerning that they just can't be satisfied with anything less than full frame and we must all be blind or incompetent not to see any difference.

Now, Canon may be introducing a low-cost full frame model and suddenly it's all about the features. No one has seen a single sample image of what the camera can produce but that doesn't matter, because obviously no one can produce decent pictures without 18 autofocus points and 8 frames per second.

Get a grip. The rumored specs reveal a camera that could be a significant improvement over the 5DII at hundreds of dollars less than what the 5DII sold for for years.

Reminds me of the whining that occurred when the 60D was announced. Some people just couldn't understand how Canon didn't offer all the same features as the 7D but at $400 less. If you want a 5DIII buy a 5DIII. If you can't afford it...well I can't afford a lot of things either.

I love this camera and the specs. It is one more choice that I, as a consumer have. Canon's decision to offer this camera doesn't take away anything from me.  It adds to my choices. And, because it adds to Canon's bottom line, that means even more choices for me in the future.

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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #319 on: September 15, 2012, 11:26:15 AM »
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I love this camera and the specs. It is one more choice that I, as a consumer have. Canon's decision to offer this camera doesn't take away anything from me.  It adds to my choices. And, because it adds to Canon's bottom line, that means even more choices for me in the future.
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It's not always a question of "affordability". For me at least it is "value for money."

And what Canon has delivered in the 5D3 does not offer me greater value for money that I would expect from the increase in price over the 5D2. If it offers value for money well good for them.

The equation is even worse when I consider what Nikon can deliver in the guise of the D800. If the 6D rumored specs are true then in comparison, you would also have a hard time justifying a 6D at $1999 being good value for your money when the 600D is $2099.

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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #320 on: September 15, 2012, 11:26:41 AM »
Nikon and Sony have completely out foxed Canon.

Totally irrelevant. What matters is if they out sell Canon.  For the past several years, they have demonstrated a complete lack of ability to do so.  Keep in mind, superior technical specs aren't the whole story - if they were, Betamax would have beaten VHS.

EDIT: Not that I'm saying Nikon or Sony have superior technical specs...   :P
If I am not the shareholder of Canon, why I care much about their sales figure, I don't get a cent from them. So I don't care about who out sell who as long as one of them still produces something to suit my needs.
Canon got a top-ace sales and marketing team, they also have a good reputation from offering excellent things to pros, no one denies this.
Superior sales record aren't the whole story especially we are just consumers. :)
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #321 on: September 15, 2012, 11:38:15 AM »
Lets hope canon doesn't go the way Kodak Went... and we all know how that turned out.  ::)

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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #322 on: September 15, 2012, 11:48:20 AM »

... It is one more choice that I, as a consumer have. Canon's decision to offer this camera doesn't take away anything from me.  It adds to my choices. And, because it adds to Canon's bottom line, that means even more choices for me in the future.

I agree with you about more choices, since I haven't yet bought the 5DM3.

However other hobbyists like me that wanted to go to FF or upgrade for a particular feature (e.g. higher ISO) are frustrated for spending "bad" cash. They feel being fooled.

Not a good strategy from Canon even if they ONLY wanted to compete D600

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #323 on: September 15, 2012, 11:49:41 AM »
aaah, shucks...

I had just about convinced myself this was going to be a cheaper bodied (therefore ok to be) flippy-floppy screened, flash-poppin' "alternative/consumer/creative features" kinda model.

A 60D with a FF sensor, even at 18MP, would have done it for me... I know I've not been watching and hoping with the same ideals as everybody else but a FF 60D kinda made sense and really appealed to me!

I totally see why some don't understand who this is aimed at - I'm one of those they've missed simply by excluding the above expected "entry level" features.

Having said that I may still invest in it... I'm definately either getting this, a 5D2 with Magic Lantern or 5D3 - So I'm still with Team Canon ;)


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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #324 on: September 15, 2012, 11:51:46 AM »
Wow, this topic is quickly turning into doom and gloom!  :o

Where you're wrong is that the design and planning for this camera probably started 3 or 4 years ago.

Thus what you see in this design is Canon reacting to what Nkon/Sony were doing then, not now.

The features (including sensor) would have been locked down sometime last year.

But do product development cycles really work that way? My understanding is that companies develop several prototypes of the same product which allows them the flexibility to match the market demand (or what they see as the market demand) at the time of release. Features are probably locked down months before the release date and not years. This might also be the reason why you can get conflicting rumors for the same product. That's because there are several prototypes in the wild doing the rounds.

SD vs CF.  It's interesting because the 5d has both for convenient comparison ---where I can shoot as much as I damn want writing to CF, when it switches to SD, 3-4 shots and you get the red writing data light.  I have found that the SD write speed is sooo slow that I don't even bother with putting an SD in there.  CF cards of any speed though are lightening fast.  Again, functionality ---this spec sheet has little to none of it.

Isn't that because the 5DIII doesn't support the UHS-I standard for SD? With this technology, SD can rival CF in speed. Maybe someone should try this on the Nikon D800 to see how the SD fares against the CF?

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #325 on: September 15, 2012, 12:03:08 PM »
I may be out in left field but Canon may have been a bit concerned that the D600 was going to be $1500. They were then in the position to try to come up with something to be in that range as well. Thus the 11 point AF etc. GPS and wifi were likely added to make it sound better as both of those cost next to nothing to add. Now that the D600 is out at a higher price with better specs, I can bet Canon is going back to the drawing board. These "specs" may have just been released to get feedback which if they read this forum, feedback has been loud and clear!

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #326 on: September 15, 2012, 12:21:45 PM »
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</strong>I received this spec list this morning, and it seems to have also appeared at <a href=\"http://digicame-info.com/2012/09/eos-6d-20.html\" target=\"_blank\">Digicame-info</a>.</p>
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<li>A new 20mp sensor</li>
<li>Full Frame</li>
<li>4.5fps</li>
<li>ISO Range 100-25600</li>
<li>DIGIC5+</li>
<li>APS-C Sized body</li>
<li>Weathersealed</li>
<li>SD Card</li>
<li>Built-in Wifi & GPS</li>
<li>11 AF Points, f/2.8 Cross-type in the center.</li>
<li>3″ LCD</li>
<li>Full HD (1920×1080)</li>
<li>Available December 2012</li>
<li>Price: $1999 USD Body Only (Speculated price)</li>
</ul>
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<p><strong>Source: [<a href=\"http://digicame-info.com/2012/09/eos-6d-20.html\" target=\"_blank\">DC</a>]</strong></p>
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  -  A new 20mp sensor
      Full Frame
      Interesting thing that Canon chooses to develop a new sensor. I believe the reason is very simple... not to cannibalize 5D3 sales.

  - 4.5fps

     Expected feature

  -  ISO Range 100-25600

      Not bad for an entry lvl FF camera.

  -  DIGIC5+

    Expected.

  -  APS-C Sized body

     I believe will be same as 60D body. Another feature that is expected.

  -  Weathersealed

    Not bad. :)

  -  SD Card

    For an entry lvl camera is expected to have SD card slot. The big question is : will be dual card slots??

  -  Built-in Wifi & GPS

    Good to have features :)

  -  11 AF Points, f/2.8 Cross-type in the center.

     Disappointing. :(( . Is not making any reference to other AF points. they are all cross type? They will use the same AF as 7D but only with fewer points??? they are ''digital'' points or ''fixed'''like 5D2??

  -  3″ LCD


    Expected.

  -  Full HD (1920×1080)

     Expected feature.

  -  Available December 2012

     Not bad.:) maybe will be announced at Photokina

  -  Price: $1999 USD Body Only (Speculated price)

    Considering the new prices that Canon sell their new cameras is an expected and fair price.


 Most of the leaked specs are expected to be found in a entry lvl FF body. I am surprised by the In camera sensor approach and very disappointed by the AF system ( if the specs are true )


I still hope that the AF system specs are wrong.  ???
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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #327 on: September 15, 2012, 12:28:11 PM »
Nikon and Sony have completely out foxed Canon.
Totally irrelevant. What matters is if they out sell Canon.  For the past several years, they have demonstrated a complete lack of ability to do so.  Keep in mind, superior technical specs aren't the whole story - if they were, Betamax would have beaten VHS.
Oh I think that the D800/D600 will quite easily outsell the 5D3/6D.

For any given pile of money, Nikon has a more compelling story than Canon when it comes to DSLRs.

But again, what you think isn't relevant.  Nor is what I think.  What matters is what a majority of people do

Was the 5DII 'more compelling' than the D700?  D700 owners sure didn't think so...but those D700 owners were very much in the minority in terms of market share.

As I've said...show me the sales figures, quarterly reports, etc., then we'll know which brand wins.  The most recent figures available have Canon with 15% more of the dSLR market than Nikon (and Sony we'll behind Nikon).  Those figures don't include 2012 releases, but two years ago there was lots of talk about the entry-level and one/two steps up Nikon bodies being so much better than the Canon equivalents - and still Nikon continued losing market share to Canon.

Keep in mind - the people discussing this issue here are not representative of the market as a whole.

Consider this - brand loyalty combined with lenses/accessories already owned play a major role in future body purchase decisions for most consumers.  Canon has a much larger market share than Nikon, therefore a much larger pool of potential upgraders. As long as Canon continues to dominate in the true entry level segment (APS-C sensor xxxD models), they'll continue to outcompete Nikon across the board. 
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« Reply #328 on: September 15, 2012, 12:55:42 PM »
Digicame-info just updated the specs:

Viewfinder coverage:97%, Magnification:0.71X
Size: 144.5x110.5x71.2mm(not 114.5, my mistake)
Af: A new strong low light detection model

5D2 has a 98% viewfinder coverage, D600 is 100%
A new released Pentax k-5 II claimed their 11 point AF detection range is from -3EV, so Canon has a similar one??
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Re: Canon is out foxed.
« Reply #329 on: September 15, 2012, 01:00:45 PM »
It's not always a question of "affordability". For me at least it is "value for money."
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However other hobbyists like me that wanted to go to FF or upgrade for a particular feature (e.g. higher ISO) are frustrated for spending "bad" cash. They feel being fooled.
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Exactly, exactly!  Spending 2k on a camera that only gets you half way there is a waste of 2k.  I'll gladly spend more for a properly spec'd camera.  I was prepared to spend $2500 for this new FF assuming it had the specs I wanted.  And I do have money for a 5D3 but I'm having a real hard time forking out that much for a body so I'm in that boat with so many others that were hopefully this was going to be the ticket.  Canon, I've got money to give you but not for this rumored 6D as it's spec'd.
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