Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?

[RC]

It's not always a question of "affordability". For me at least it is "value for money."
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However other hobbyists like me that wanted to go to FF or upgrade for a particular feature (e.g. higher ISO) are frustrated for spending "bad" cash. They feel being fooled.
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Exactly, exactly!  Spending 2k on a camera that only gets you half way there is a waste of 2k.  I'll gladly spend more for a properly spec'd camera.  I was prepared to spend $2500 for this new FF assuming it had the specs I wanted.  And I do have money for a 5D3 but I'm having a real hard time forking out that much for a body so I'm in that boat with so many others that were hopefully this was going to be the ticket.  Canon, I've got money to give you but not for this rumored 6D as it's spec'd.

Well You can spend an extra $250 and get the real deal (5d mark III) with warranty from a canon authorized dealer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-22-3-Megapixels-USA-Warranty-/390468355036?forcev4exp=true#ht_11952wt_1163

Show me a reputable and authorized Canon dealer selling unopened USA warranty models below $3400.   If its too good to be true then there is something fishy.

[dilbert]

Consider this - brand loyalty combined with lenses/accessories already owned play a major role in future body purchase decisions for most consumers.  Canon has a much larger market share than Nikon, therefore a much larger pool of potential upgraders. As long as Canon continues to dominate in the true entry level segment (APS-C sensor xxxD models), they'll continue to outcompete Nikon across the board.

Even at the xxxD level Nikon is delivering a more attractive option.

Is a newbie going to go for the camera with the 24MP sensor or the 18MP sensor?

The other way to interpret your comments is that because Canon already has a large installed user base, they are delivering that user base lesser camera because people will keep buying Canon because of old gear.

That's what happens when you achieve enough market penetration. Case in point: the iPhone 5. It delivers less from a technological standpoint than many of its competitors but will still sell loads more even if enthusiasts call it boring and uninspiring. The differentiation factor is the ecosystem.

If the iPhone 5 is just meant for upgraders then yes, you're right. otherwise, Apple is losing market share and they know it. Hence all the court cases.

[EvillEmperor]

What I find funny is how people were sooo disappointed with the MK III and said they'd keep their MK II. Now, people who said they'd "upgrade" their MK II to this, they say it's not worth it. What I also find interesting are the 7D users who want to upgrade to this. Besides more MP and better low light, you arn't getting much more. You most likely bought the 7D over the MK II for the speed and AF. Just wait a little longer then get a MK III, I see in some places it being $3,000 now.

[emko]

It's not always a question of "affordability". For me at least it is "value for money."
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However other hobbyists like me that wanted to go to FF or upgrade for a particular feature (e.g. higher ISO) are frustrated for spending "bad" cash. They feel being fooled.
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Exactly, exactly!  Spending 2k on a camera that only gets you half way there is a waste of 2k.  I'll gladly spend more for a properly spec'd camera.  I was prepared to spend $2500 for this new FF assuming it had the specs I wanted.  And I do have money for a 5D3 but I'm having a real hard time forking out that much for a body so I'm in that boat with so many others that were hopefully this was going to be the ticket.  Canon, I've got money to give you but not for this rumored 6D as it's spec'd.

Well You can spend an extra $250 and get the real deal (5d mark III) with warranty from a canon authorized dealer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-22-3-Megapixels-USA-Warranty-/390468355036?forcev4exp=true#ht_11952wt_1163

wow is that for real? that's like 800$ cheaper then the ones in store here.

[Musouka]

Well You can spend an extra $250 and get the real deal (5d mark III) with warranty from a canon authorized dealer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-22-3-Megapixels-USA-Warranty-/390468355036?forcev4exp=true#ht_11952wt_1163

Show me a reputable and authorized Canon dealer selling unopened USA warranty models below $3400.   If its too good to be true then there is something fishy.

What have you got to lose? It's a highly-rated seller ( Feedback Score of 115437) who is listed as a "Manufacturer's Authorized Reseller" on eBay and, in the unlikely case this turns out to be a scam, you are protected by PayPal.

If the iPhone 5 is just meant for upgraders then yes, you're right. otherwise, Apple is losing market share and they know it. Hence all the court cases.

The initial shipment of the phone sold out in mere hours. It's still is the best-selling phone and would likely be in the near future. Anything else is debatable. Apple are known to be overprotective of their technology. They might be losing potential market share (they actually gained some market share recently) but that's still hard to guage since the smartphone market is still expanding rather quickly.

[lola]

Show me a reputable and authorized Canon dealer selling unopened USA warranty models below $3400.   If its too good to be true then there is something fishy.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-22-3-Megapixels-USA-Warranty-/390468355036?forcev4exp=true

[CANONisOK]

It's not always a question of "affordability". For me at least it is "value for money."
...

...
However other hobbyists like me that wanted to go to FF or upgrade for a particular feature (e.g. higher ISO) are frustrated for spending "bad" cash. They feel being fooled.
...

Exactly, exactly!  Spending 2k on a camera that only gets you half way there is a waste of 2k.  I'll gladly spend more for a properly spec'd camera.  I was prepared to spend $2500 for this new FF assuming it had the specs I wanted.  And I do have money for a 5D3 but I'm having a real hard time forking out that much for a body so I'm in that boat with so many others that were hopefully this was going to be the ticket.  Canon, I've got money to give you but not for this rumored 6D as it's spec'd.

Well You can spend an extra $250 and get the real deal (5d mark III) with warranty from a canon authorized dealer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-22-3-Megapixels-USA-Warranty-/390468355036?forcev4exp=true#ht_11952wt_1163

Done! What a nice way to wake up from my nap! Or did I? 

[bdunbar79]

It's not always a question of "affordability". For me at least it is "value for money."
...

...
However other hobbyists like me that wanted to go to FF or upgrade for a particular feature (e.g. higher ISO) are frustrated for spending "bad" cash. They feel being fooled.
...

Exactly, exactly!  Spending 2k on a camera that only gets you half way there is a waste of 2k.  I'll gladly spend more for a properly spec'd camera.  I was prepared to spend $2500 for this new FF assuming it had the specs I wanted.  And I do have money for a 5D3 but I'm having a real hard time forking out that much for a body so I'm in that boat with so many others that were hopefully this was going to be the ticket.  Canon, I've got money to give you but not for this rumored 6D as it's spec'd.

Well You can spend an extra $250 and get the real deal (5d mark III) with warranty from a canon authorized dealer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-22-3-Megapixels-USA-Warranty-/390468355036?forcev4exp=true#ht_11952wt_1163

Show me a reputable and authorized Canon dealer selling unopened USA warranty models below $3400.   If its too good to be true then there is something fishy.

Or your store's name is Adorama.

[Trovador]

As a 7D owner who plans to add a FF body to my gear, I have been waiting for this announcement. As the actual details of the Nikon D600 were released, I realized that what might be coming from Canon might also be more along those lines. These latest round of Canon specs seem to confirm that what's coming is more of a cannibalized version of several models than a stripped-down FF. All-in-all the specs from my perspective look puny for the price. I will wait for the "official announcement" before making any purchase but now I'm leaning in the direction of buying a 5D2. I think for my needs and budget this would give me everything I want in a known product (no surprises and or issues to stumble into with a brand new model) and the price keeps coming down.

Did I write this???.  Agreed 100%.

[lopicma]

This camera looks good to me.  I ran the original page threw Google translate:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdigicame-info.com%2F2012%2F09%2Feos-6d-20.html

I like the GPS and WiFi feature in addition to the rest.  Of course anything is a step up from a Rebel XS!

[gtog]

Wow! 24 pages and still going strong. How about a deep breath and a little longer perspective?

Ten years ago in September 2002, there were several choices in Canon full frame SLRs, notably the EOS-1 V, Elan 7, and the newly released Rebel Ti. These could all use the same sensors, usually from Kodak or Fuji, and were generally only good for 24 or 36 exposures before needing to be replaced. Yes, film! Digital SLRs were APS-C or APS-H, not full frame.

Now, ten years later, our current, non-cinema, Canon full frame SLR choices (in order of decreasing price) are EOS-1D X, 5D mkIII, 5D mkII, and EOS-1V (as priced at B&H today). Yes, the current least expensive full frame SLR is an EOS-1 V!!

Much has happened in those 10 years. Perhaps we should consider the amount of time it takes to get really proficient with a camera relative to the perceived amount of time before it is "obsolete". In this thread, the latter seems to be getting vanishingly small. These are not mobile phones with cameras with a 6 month product cycle but tools to be used and useful for years.

I am glad the technology has been advancing to give us more full frame digital choices (2 new ones so far this year alone -- not counting cinema) and there is now rumored to be one that will be more affordable than the EOS-1 V! Rumored specs are less important in the big picture, not that specs are uninteresting or will not be important when there is an actual camera to spend real money on.

Overall, I view the  rumored specs favorably.

The 11 AF points, particularly if all cross type with a center dual cross is an improvement over the 5D and 5D mk II and all the APS-C DSLRs (except the 7D, numerically). It is not reasonable to expect a full frame camera to share the 7D AF sensor due to the different mirror box geometry for full frame and and EF-S capable APS-C cameras. (The 10D did use the same sensor as the Elan 7, and later the Elan 7n, but the 10D was before EF-S and not compatible with it).

The built in GPS and Wifi are a bit surprising, but welcome.

A 20MP sensor in a, roughly, 60D size body seems reasonable at the rumored price. Remember, Canon is reputably working on automating camera manufacturing. Remember also what they did to the industry when they introduced the AE-1 in 1976!

I really look forward to an actual announcement and real product reviews of this. Too much speculation eventually becomes too much noise.

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[lopicma]

It just looks like Canon wants everything on a DIGIC5 processor for now.  Most likely for manufacturing ease.

I would think if you have a camera that is less than 2-3 years old, these new bodies are not that important.  I hope Canon can get a hold of the "growing pains" with the new cameras.  Some of this stuff is so weird... namely the rubber on the T4i.

At least on paper, the T4i looks as good as the 60D, but only use and familiarity with both will tell the truth on that matter.  This 6D looks compelling to me, and full frames may be the trump card for DSLRs in answer to the popularity of Compact System Cameras and the mirror-less bodies.  I had hear that CSCs are making up 50% of the Asian market now.  That has got to be effecting DSLR makers future decision making...  even if they do sell BOTH types of camera.

[Gcon]

What a huge dissapointment. Canon have to bury that horrible horrible 5D AF system. No excuse for not having all cross-type AF. Also, WTF would their entry level FF have built-in wifi and GPS and not the top level 5D3 and 1DX? Can

[Kanikani]

シャッターの耐久性は10万回 [/b]

shutter life: 10,0000
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10万回 mean 10 of 10'000 ie 100'000

[Diko]

I also think it is way too early to say anything...

* - this new CMOS - even with less MPs would it get better images, better dynamics or not?
* - WiFi - I can really fantasize a lot what new exciting possibilities can be used - e.g. Laptop/iPhone distant controlled camera... even timelapse ;-)
* - APS-C Sized body - What is that supposed to mean? I have a 40D and I have seen 60D the difference between the two is huge and I favor the bigger body....
* - - AF unit (PS) is a strong new low brightness can anyone translate that for me in NORMAL english not in GOOGLE translator, please )

My point is that 6D specs leak is still one BIG NOTHING!

Remember this terrible idea of touchscreen and now APS-C body...?!?!

Do you all remember the discussions here on the 5DM3?

Let's sit and wait ;-)