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Re: A couple thoughts
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2012, 01:56:00 PM »
meh -- thanks for the laugh!  :)

I'm hoping the 6D will be better than its rumored spec.   What could save it is a revolutionary new sensor.   If it does have such a sensor that could explain why Adorama decided to sell 818 5D mk III bodies on ebay yesterday for $2750 each (2 1/4 million in revenue).

Lens - bring on the 300 f4L mk II or the 100-400 L mkII with rotating focus ring, not push-pull.  Especially that latter.    If I wind up switching to N I guess it won't matter, but such an update would make it harder to leave!

Nice thought, but how much of a revolutionary new sensor can Canon put in a 6D when they just released the 5D3... it's actually odd that they would design and manufacture a different FF sensor with nearly the same resolution (very costly to design and set up the fab)... more likely that it will be the 5D3 sensor and the differentiation will be in all the other specs.  But, the rumoured specs are all over so the indication is for a different sensor.  Strange.
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Re: A couple thoughts
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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2012, 02:37:17 PM »
Jeez. So they really are calling it a 6D?
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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2012, 02:38:09 PM »
Get ready for $2500 MSRP ;) .

A $2500 MSRP would mean a €2500 MSRP price in Europe. That would be a NON-competitive price. For 400 euro more, you can get the 5D MKIII. It just does not make sense unless it is the opening price that needs to go down with at least 600 euro but only after 4 to 6 months. By then, most may have saved the money to buy the 5D MKIII

5D3 is $3500 MSRP, regardless of the actual retail prices. I think it is logical to assume that the retail price of this rumored poor-man's 5D would be lower than it's MSRP as well. The old 5D2 is $2200 MSRP, but you can get it for $1899 from amazon (atm). If 6D was $2000 MSRP and even lower retail price, then who is going to buy either 5D3 or 7D2 (which should be near $1900 MSRP) ?? Not me! :D

Currently, the only reason to buy a 7D over a 60D or 5D2 is for the speed, AF, etc. for sports shooting... and those benefits will still exist over this alleged 6D.   So (as I said above) I see it the other way around... who will buy the 6D over a 5D3 or 7D?   Yes of course some will buy it... if you don't shoot sports, and don't need the advanced features of a 5D3, and understand the IQ advantage of FF over a crop (eg. 60/650D)... then this 6D is perfect... but how many consumers fit into that category?  You do, and so do many people on this site.... but that is a small slice of the market Canon needs to hit to make decent sales volume.

Sorry, I see no logic in that. I think there are many more not-so-rich enthusiast photographers (like me, perhaps :) ) than sport/action PROs. I did buy 7D a few years ago, but not for the fps or a bit better sensor (going from 500D). I couldn't afford 5D2 back then and I liked 7D AF system, rugged body, CF slot (I was going to upgrade to 5D series anyway, so I didn't want to waste $ on SD for 60D), AFMA (for my 2 Sigmas), wireless flash control, good battery, ergonomics ... and I still think that 7D is one of the best Canon DSLR in history.
IMHO, most of us would buy 6D for less than $2000 over 5D3 or 7D2. 4.5fps is not that slow ;)
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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2012, 02:40:31 PM »
With the EOS 6D at 2099 USD we can now expect the EOS 7D Mark II to cost maximum 1699 USD.

1Dx = 6799
3D = 4499
5D3 = 3499
6D = 2099
7D2 = 1699
70D = 1099
650D = 799
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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2012, 02:46:36 PM »
Jeez. So they really are calling it a 6D?

Yeah I don't like the even number. I would have prefered 9D. But, then the 7D number would be above the 9D.
And that will not be the case. Canon should have named 7D "9D" from the start. Allowing them to fill in a mini 5D in the form of a FF 7D. But the did not expect a D600 at that time (2009) I guess.
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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2012, 02:53:11 PM »
With the EOS 6D at 2099 USD we can now expect the EOS 7D Mark II to cost maximum 1699 USD.

1Dx = 6799
3D = 4499
5D3 = 3499
6D = 2099
7D2 = 1699
70D = 1099
650D = 799
Who says there will be one?
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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2012, 02:55:26 PM »
With the EOS 6D at 2099 USD we can now expect the EOS 7D Mark II to cost maximum 1699 USD.

1Dx = 6799
3D = 4499
5D3 = 3499
6D = 2099
7D2 = 1699
70D = 1099
650D = 799
Who says there will be one?

I think there will be one but I can't be 100% shure. The gap between 60D/70D and 6D will be to big without a 7D replacement. And the 7D can't live on forever. At some point it will need Digic 5+.
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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2012, 03:02:28 PM »
Get ready for $2500 MSRP ;) .

A $2500 MSRP would mean a €2500 MSRP price in Europe. That would be a NON-competitive price. For 400 euro more, you can get the 5D MKIII. It just does not make sense unless it is the opening price that needs to go down with at least 600 euro but only after 4 to 6 months. By then, most may have saved the money to buy the 5D MKIII

5D3 is $3500 MSRP, regardless of the actual retail prices. I think it is logical to assume that the retail price of this rumored poor-man's 5D would be lower than it's MSRP as well. The old 5D2 is $2200 MSRP, but you can get it for $1899 from amazon (atm). If 6D was $2000 MSRP and even lower retail price, then who is going to buy either 5D3 or 7D2 (which should be near $1900 MSRP) ?? Not me! :D

Currently, the only reason to buy a 7D over a 60D or 5D2 is for the speed, AF, etc. for sports shooting... and those benefits will still exist over this alleged 6D.   So (as I said above) I see it the other way around... who will buy the 6D over a 5D3 or 7D?   Yes of course some will buy it... if you don't shoot sports, and don't need the advanced features of a 5D3, and understand the IQ advantage of FF over a crop (eg. 60/650D)... then this 6D is perfect... but how many consumers fit into that category?  You do, and so do many people on this site.... but that is a small slice of the market Canon needs to hit to make decent sales volume.

Sorry, I see no logic in that. I think there are many more not-so-rich enthusiast photographers (like me, perhaps :) ) than sport/action PROs. I did buy 7D a few years ago, but not for the fps or a bit better sensor (going from 500D). I couldn't afford 5D2 back then and I liked 7D AF system, rugged body, CF slot (I was going to upgrade to 5D series anyway, so I didn't want to waste $ on SD for 60D), AFMA (for my 2 Sigmas), wireless flash control, good battery, ergonomics ... and I still think that 7D is one of the best Canon DSLR in history.
IMHO, most of us would buy 6D for less than $2000 over 5D3 or 7D2. 4.5fps is not that slow ;)

Right, I agree... there is a market (e.g. you and people like you) but I'm questioning the size of that market.  I didn't suggest there are more sports shooters than non-sports shooters.   And we don't need to consider "rich people" because they are a narrow slice of any market as well (depending how you define rich but perhaps we can agree there are few people with so much money that they wank into a store and say give me the most expensive camera you have).   $2k is no small potatoes for a body so the purchaser typically has a reason to plunk down that kind of cash... so what is the reason in the case of a 6D?

Assume any 1-series body are out of the question due to price and price is an issue... and consider the choices you face:

6D vs 5D3:  5D3 is $1400 more but if you need the features of the "pro features" of the 5D3 then 6D is not even in your sights

6D vs. 7D:  If you are into sports, wildlife, etc. 7D is the better choice for a few reasons (debatable of course)

6D vs. 60/650D:  Price difference is $1200 bucks for same features other than sensor size and most consumers out there are not acutely aware of the IQ benefits of the FF sensor.

So, the typical purchaser of a 6D would be someone who does not need the pro features of a 5D3, does not shoot much sports/wildlife, and is aware of the IQ advantage of FF and willing to pay extra $1200 for it (not to mention the investment in lenses to realize that IQ advantage).

Sure, many of the folks on say Canon Rumors are excited to get a FF camera for $2k or less... but that is a relatively small market.   Most of the world doesn't know what FF is and the sales guy in Best Buy isn't going to have much luck upselling from a 650D to a 6D because "it has a FF sensor".


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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2012, 03:13:43 PM »
So will be tonight around midnight EST?   Hope the 6D is crap... so I won't feel bad about my 5D2.  I don't want to get laughed at and ridiculed when out in public.  People with modern cameras already laugh when they see the outdated CF cards I still use and don't even have an articulating LCD.  It's embarrassing.
Then they don't know what they're talking & laughing about...  ::)
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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2012, 03:16:19 PM »
Hope to see a really innovative canon 6D like the Nikon D600! :)

Articulated screen, built-in time-lapse, built in flash ecc

PLEASE NO a stupid touch screen

+1

You and I think alike. I will only find the new 6D useful if it's in a compact size and comes with flipped screen & built-in flash. Built-in time lapse would be nice. But the most important is good AF and has MA.

This will be a perfect backup to my 5D3.

For anyone thinking of a 6D over a 5D3, it will be disappointing if there's no MA but that would certainly be a good feature to leave out in order to position this body sufficiently below the 5D3.   Yes, I know the 7D has MA but other than the FF sensor the specs of this body are all below the 7D so they could get away with leaving MA out.

If you shoot with a 5D3 now and use flash then you must have external flashes already... why then would you be so interested in a pop-up flash on a 6D as a backup to your 5D3?

Yes, I do own external flashes. Right now, 3 600EX-RT's to be exact.

Certainly, there are situations that I could not rug around my gear. And some of those occasions, it's best just to have only one camera and one lens to be as low profile as possible. I used to carry a 60D for that. I really liked the 60D for its compact size and flipped screen, but not having MA was a deal breaker at the end.
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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2012, 03:16:47 PM »
IF 6D would have 11 point AF (cross-type) with center point double cross-type then OK - I will probably get one. If it is just 1 cross-type point - 5D Mk II is better for my needs. Fingers crossed !

no problem as long as it's cheap around 1500.
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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2012, 03:21:34 PM »
Hope to see a really innovative canon 6D like the Nikon D600! :)

Articulated screen, built-in time-lapse, built in flash ecc

PLEASE NO a stupid touch screen

+1

You and I think alike. I will only find the new 6D useful if it's in a compact size and comes with flipped screen & built-in flash. Built-in time lapse would be nice. But the most important is good AF and has MA.

This will be a perfect backup to my 5D3.

For anyone thinking of a 6D over a 5D3, it will be disappointing if there's no MA but that would certainly be a good feature to leave out in order to position this body sufficiently below the 5D3.   Yes, I know the 7D has MA but other than the FF sensor the specs of this body are all below the 7D so they could get away with leaving MA out.

If you shoot with a 5D3 now and use flash then you must have external flashes already... why then would you be so interested in a pop-up flash on a 6D as a backup to your 5D3?

Yes, I do own external flashes. Right now, 3 600EX-RT's to be exact.

Certainly, there are situations that I could could not rug around my gear. And some of those occasions, it's best just to have only one camera and one lens to be as low profile as possible. I used to carry a 60D for that. I really liked the 60D for its compact size and flipped screen, but not having MA was a deal breaker at the end.

Ok, fair enough.

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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2012, 03:24:06 PM »
Get ready for $2500 MSRP ;) .

A $2500 MSRP would mean a €2500 MSRP price in Europe. That would be a NON-competitive price. For 400 euro more, you can get the 5D MKIII. It just does not make sense unless it is the opening price that needs to go down with at least 600 euro but only after 4 to 6 months. By then, most may have saved the money to buy the 5D MKIII

5D3 is $3500 MSRP, regardless of the actual retail prices. I think it is logical to assume that the retail price of this rumored poor-man's 5D would be lower than it's MSRP as well. The old 5D2 is $2200 MSRP, but you can get it for $1899 from amazon (atm). If 6D was $2000 MSRP and even lower retail price, then who is going to buy either 5D3 or 7D2 (which should be near $1900 MSRP) ?? Not me! :D

Currently, the only reason to buy a 7D over a 60D or 5D2 is for the speed, AF, etc. for sports shooting... and those benefits will still exist over this alleged 6D.   So (as I said above) I see it the other way around... who will buy the 6D over a 5D3 or 7D?   Yes of course some will buy it... if you don't shoot sports, and don't need the advanced features of a 5D3, and understand the IQ advantage of FF over a crop (eg. 60/650D)... then this 6D is perfect... but how many consumers fit into that category?  You do, and so do many people on this site.... but that is a small slice of the market Canon needs to hit to make decent sales volume.

Sorry, I see no logic in that. I think there are many more not-so-rich enthusiast photographers (like me, perhaps :) ) than sport/action PROs. I did buy 7D a few years ago, but not for the fps or a bit better sensor (going from 500D). I couldn't afford 5D2 back then and I liked 7D AF system, rugged body, CF slot (I was going to upgrade to 5D series anyway, so I didn't want to waste $ on SD for 60D), AFMA (for my 2 Sigmas), wireless flash control, good battery, ergonomics ... and I still think that 7D is one of the best Canon DSLR in history.
IMHO, most of us would buy 6D for less than $2000 over 5D3 or 7D2. 4.5fps is not that slow ;)

Right, I agree... there is a market (e.g. you and people like you) but I'm questioning the size of that market.  I didn't suggest there are more sports shooters than non-sports shooters.   And we don't need to consider "rich people" because they are a narrow slice of any market as well (depending how you define rich but perhaps we can agree there are few people with so much money that they wank into a store and say give me the most expensive camera you have).   $2k is no small potatoes for a body so the purchaser typically has a reason to plunk down that kind of cash... so what is the reason in the case of a 6D?

Assume any 1-series body are out of the question due to price and price is an issue... and consider the choices you face:

6D vs 5D3:  5D3 is $1400 more but if you need the features of the "pro features" of the 5D3 then 6D is not even in your sights

6D vs. 7D:  If you are into sports, wildlife, etc. 7D is the better choice for a few reasons (debatable of course)

6D vs. 60/650D:  Price difference is $1200 bucks for same features other than sensor size and most consumers out there are not acutely aware of the IQ benefits of the FF sensor.

So, the typical purchaser of a 6D would be someone who does not need the pro features of a 5D3, does not shoot much sports/wildlife, and is aware of the IQ advantage of FF and willing to pay extra $1200 for it (not to mention the investment in lenses to realize that IQ advantage).

Sure, many of the folks on say Canon Rumors are excited to get a FF camera for $2k or less... but that is a relatively small market.   Most of the world doesn't know what FF is and the sales guy in Best Buy isn't going to have much luck upselling from a 650D to a 6D because "it has a FF sensor".

Actually, I know many photographers who are using 5D2 for sports, wildlife, photojournalism and they'd never touch a crop camera like 7D, purely because of the IQ difference, but they would appreciate a smaller, lighter and cheaper body with better AF system.
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No SX50?

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Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2012, 03:52:35 PM »
yeah if it will be better than 5ds af and metering system alsa better iso i will buy a new canon 6d and sell my 60d

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