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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #315 on: September 17, 2012, 03:15:42 PM »
People balk at the features of the 6D and now the 5D Mark III doesn't look so bad.

High praise for the 5d3 indeed :-> ... but I fear you're correct, and the 5d3 price will stay just below $3000 for quite some time because Canon made sure the 6d is no "mini-5d3" but a high iq tourist camera.

Count in in with the people who will buy this as a backup one it drops below $1500US.

Some people might use it as a 2nd camera with a fast prime mounted and an exchangeable focus screen.

Alternatively I'm thinking of building a featherweight street shooter by pairing the 6D with the 40mm STM.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #315 on: September 17, 2012, 03:15:42 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #316 on: September 17, 2012, 03:33:18 PM »
A thought I just had: There seems to be a lot of concern on this post as to who will buy this camera. That this camera won't sell well. And my response to this is.... Who cares? I would be totally fine if this camera only sells 1 unit worldwide (and that would be to me of course...). We should really be less concerned with Canon's sales numbers and more concerned with our own creative output.

Well... the simple and obvious answer to your question is that the people who are discussing it care.  They may care for their own personal reasons or simply personal interest in such things.  If you don't care then the posts don't concern you and you can choose to discuss other matters.

The more in depth reason is that this is a Canon gear site and it's full of people who care about Canon gear and all the intricacies of Canon's gear line up.   They are interested in discussing a wide range of topics with like-minded people and value those discussions.   Some people here work in the retail photography business and care deeply that Canon introduces products that will sell well and be commercially successful.

For my part, one area of my profession is market and product analysis and forecasting...  I look at new products that are pitched to me and assess whether such a product will have mass appeal and be commercially successful.  I'm also a camera gear-head so I enjoy these conversations, they are instructive to me.  I'm also and investor and make investment decisions based on the direction I think large companies are going and that as well means it's valuable and interesting to dig deep into what drives consumer acceptance of product releases and whether a company like Canon still has it's wits about them or is struggling with product development that will have mass appeal or if they will start to lose market share over a 12-36 month investment horizon.

As Canon customers it's in our interests (to a degree) to hope Canon is commercially successful with their photography gear because it means they will continue to be profitable and develop new and better photography gear for us to buy, use, and talk about with our fellow photographers.

If you don't care about such things, don't respond.  If you do respond your input is valued and desired, I would appreciate it and learn from what you have to say.  You are one person and in the grand scheme of things your purchase decision doesn't matter and nor does mine.  But the overall market forces do matter to product development.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #317 on: September 17, 2012, 03:40:24 PM »

As Canon customers it's in our interests (to a degree) to hope Canon is commercially successful with their photography gear because it means they will continue to be profitable and develop new and better photography gear for us to buy, use, and talk about with our fellow photographers.



This is a myth.

If Canon puts crappy or overpriced products on the market and they sell well all the same, this is exactly what they will keep doing. As a Canon user you should only hope that they get their ass kicked so badly to never do that again.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #318 on: September 17, 2012, 03:42:05 PM »

As Canon customers it's in our interests (to a degree) to hope Canon is commercially successful with their photography gear because it means they will continue to be profitable and develop new and better photography gear for us to buy, use, and talk about with our fellow photographers.



This is a myth.

If Canon puts crappy or overpriced products on the market and they sell well all the same, this is exactly what they will keep doing. As a Canon user you should only hope that they get their ass kicked so badly to never do that again.

yep canon needs to get the ass kicked badly so they produce GREAT cameras not good enough cameras again.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #319 on: September 17, 2012, 03:56:13 PM »

As Canon customers it's in our interests (to a degree) to hope Canon is commercially successful with their photography gear because it means they will continue to be profitable and develop new and better photography gear for us to buy, use, and talk about with our fellow photographers.



This is a myth.

If Canon puts crappy or overpriced products on the market and they sell well all the same, this is exactly what they will keep doing. As a Canon user you should only hope that they get their ass kicked so badly to never do that again.

yep canon needs to get the ass kicked badly so they produce GREAT cameras not good enough cameras again.

They do.  They are the 1DX and 5D3... everything below those in the line will be "lesser cameras for a lower price".  If what you're trying to say is that Canon should make a GREAT camera at every price point well that is subjective and certainly they won't shoehorn a 1DX into a cheaper body just so everyone can get one at a lower price.  If what you're trying to say is Canon should make a variety of gear that meet specific market needs at price points that makes sense for the intended use and market segment then you are right.  And that is the question, is the 6D with it's list of attributes, which are neither good or bad in absolute terms, a body that will be address a decent size market segment and at what price will it sell at...  in my view I think it's too expensive as a next level up from a top end Rebel (since most Rebel users don't know and don't care about sensor size) and too hobbled to be of interest to enthusiasts and pros.   But this could be wrong... there could be 50,000 enthusiasts out there that are lusting after a FF body and will sacrifice other features.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #320 on: September 17, 2012, 04:00:15 PM »
They do.  They are the 1DX and 5D3... everything below those in the line will be "lesser cameras for a lower price". 

the answer is NIKON... more camera for less money at the moment.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #321 on: September 17, 2012, 04:00:50 PM »
How much is a good price? You only understand it by comparison with the competitors. In this respect I think that both the 5D3 and the 6D are at least 500$ overpriced. Next comes the question: do I want to buy it even knowing that I'm paying more than I should? In my case the answer is no.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #321 on: September 17, 2012, 04:00:50 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #322 on: September 17, 2012, 04:01:59 PM »
How much is a good price? You only understand it by comparison with the competitors. In this respect I think that both the 5D3 and the 6D are at least 500$ overpriced. Next comes the question: do I want to buy it even knowing that I'm paying more than I should? In my case the answer is no.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #323 on: September 17, 2012, 04:02:45 PM »
They do.  They are the 1DX and 5D3... everything below those in the line will be "lesser cameras for a lower price".

The problem is that they cripple the "lesser cameras" so that they're not complete packages, but lack certain important features that force users who can cough up to money to "upgrade": no afma on the 60d (worse than 50d, solution 7d upgrade), no cross point af on the 6d @f2.8+ (worse than 5d2, solution 5d3 upgrade), let's see what's next.

do I want to buy it even knowing that I'm paying more than I should?

The next question is: If I am paying more than I should, am I prepared for the 6d to drop $500 in price in no time?

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #324 on: September 17, 2012, 04:06:57 PM »

As Canon customers it's in our interests (to a degree) to hope Canon is commercially successful with their photography gear because it means they will continue to be profitable and develop new and better photography gear for us to buy, use, and talk about with our fellow photographers.



This is a myth.

If Canon puts crappy or overpriced products on the market and they sell well all the same, this is exactly what they will keep doing. As a Canon user you should only hope that they get their ass kicked so badly to never do that again.

Not sure what you mean by "myth" I don't think my statement is some kind of widely held but false belief.   But you're right, if Canon puts out a product and it sells well they will take that as a market signal that they are on the right track and they would be correct in that assessment.   If they put out a product and it doesn't sell they will lose money on it and hopefully try a different design next time.   It doesn't even have to be an issue of whether the product is great or crappy... only whether it sells well... sometimes products are technically great but don't have mass market appeal.  Sometimes crappy products are big winners.

I frankly don't have a strong opinion as to whether the 6D is a great or crappy camera.  That is matter of personal preference.  There is no question this body will appeal to some people and they will think it's great.  Other people, will not be interested because it doesn't meet their needs or is not worth $2k to them.
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #325 on: September 17, 2012, 04:12:08 PM »
Alternatively I'm thinking of building a featherweight street shooter by pairing the 6D with the 40mm STM.

That's an great idea :)
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #326 on: September 17, 2012, 04:13:15 PM »
They do.  They are the 1DX and 5D3... everything below those in the line will be "lesser cameras for a lower price". 

the answer is NIKON... more camera for less money at the moment.

That could be true... I don't dispute that because that is a personal choice that each consumer makes.   The fact remains thought that Canon can and does make a GREAT camera.  The 6D is also a great camera that is less capable but lower priced than a 5D3 or 1DX and some people will love it... but how many, is it a market winner, is Canon on the right track with their line up?

If the 6D was say $1200 the discussion would be entirely different... at that price it's easy to accept that the features are like a top end Rebel but it has a FF sensor.   But's it's not $1200.... it's starting out at $2100 and might come down to $1600 in time but not likely lower... is it a winner anywhere in that price range?

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #327 on: September 17, 2012, 04:16:52 PM »
They do.  They are the 1DX and 5D3... everything below those in the line will be "lesser cameras for a lower price".

The problem is that they cripple the "lesser cameras" so that they're not complete packages, but lack certain important features that force users who can cough up to money to "upgrade": no afma on the 60d (worse than 50d, solution 7d upgrade), no cross point af on the 6d @f2.8+ (worse than 5d2, solution 5d3 upgrade), let's see what's next.

do I want to buy it even knowing that I'm paying more than I should?

The next question is: If I am paying more than I should, am I prepared for the 6d to drop $500 in price in no time?

That's exactly right.  All lower priced bodies will be less capable than the flagship model of course...  but to your point, is this body crippled in ways that put it into a "no man's land" where it appeals to few people.   If it's too crippled then enthusiasts/pros won't buy...   and if it's priced too high then Rebel customers won't even consider it.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« Reply #327 on: September 17, 2012, 04:16:52 PM »

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Correction to 6D Spec - Max Shutter is 1/4000
« Reply #328 on: September 17, 2012, 04:20:09 PM »
Just checked DP Review and verified on Canon's own site. The 6D's max shutter speed is 1/4000, not 1/8000 as stated on this site.

Another point: I originally got excite and thought this would make a fine backup to my Mark III. Now I realized this is not for pros, but for prosumers. However $1300 or so more than the 60D and even more for T4i is somewhat out of "upgrade" price range for non pros.

What Canon should have done is releasing this camera without GPS and Wireless. Hell, they could even release the whole thing in plastic (it's currently alloy body and top plate plastic) in order to get the price down to $1500 or so, then they really have a winner on their hands. Most crop factor Canon users will want to upgrade.

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Re: Correction to 6D Spec - Max Shutter is 1/4000
« Reply #329 on: September 17, 2012, 04:21:59 PM »
What Canon should have done is releasing this camera without GPS and Wireless.

yeah that would probaly save 20$ in production cost.

every cheap phone has it today....  ::)

i think you got the wrong impression here.. the price is not so high because of the cost.

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Re: Correction to 6D Spec - Max Shutter is 1/4000
« Reply #329 on: September 17, 2012, 04:21:59 PM »