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Describe the 6D in one word:

5D mk 2.01
44 (17.2%)
Yawn
37 (14.5%)
Meh
57 (22.3%)
I'm excited! (no, really.)
15 (5.9%)
$1400 (as in, if it cost that much I might be excited).
45 (17.6%)
FF Rebel
58 (22.7%)

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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2012, 12:10:07 AM »
Right with you guys on this one.  Not interested.   A FF sensor in a Rebel body for a big price jump.... too big for the typical Rebel customer who won't know that sensors come in different sizes.   I'd vote "FF Rebel" but I have to vote "Meh" for obvious reasons.

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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2012, 12:36:23 AM »
My one word... "Fail". Basically a 5DMK2 w/ built in GPS/WIFI. Why even waste the time designing a new sensor? Why charge the pro body users for GPS/WIFI?? This is irritating. Why not recycle an existing AF that's popular (like the 7D).

Not sure what Canon was thinking on this one. I guess time will tell. I'll be interested to see how well this sells.
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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2012, 12:37:50 AM »
It's not "a Rebel body".

It appears to be a lighter, smaller version of the 5D2, with an SD card slot instead of CF.  It is almost the same size as, and a little lighter than, a 7D.  It likely offers much better high ISO than either a 7D or 5D2 (it has the same ISO range as the 5D3). 

I'll be interested to learn more about the autofocus:  how good overall, how many cross-type AF points and does it offer AFMA?

Keep in mind that the 5D2 was introduced at $2,700 and is now $1,900.  That's a 26% price reduction over 4 years.  If this new 6D has the same price reduction, it will drop to $1,475 over four years.
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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2012, 12:39:03 AM »
It's a video-DSLR for former Rebel users who have acquired a few prime lenses and they want to study film in college, so will sell their $700-1000 crop body and buy the 6D instead.

Who's to say that Canon won't discontinue the 5D2 before end-2012 (the 6D will be available from October) and then all of those aspiring Indie-filmmakers will have no option, but to get a 6D. They care more about ISO and low light + 60fps than they do about DR or AFMA (never mind AI Servo), plus for video an SDXC card is perfectly adequate as long as it can write at 5MB or 10MB/sec.

Also if this sensor (like the T4i) has continuous AF in video and is compatible with the new STM lenses, it will be a huge incentive to get this body and not a used 5D2

I didn't see 1080p60 on the spec list, but I think it's ridiculous that it (and every other Canon DSLR doesn't have 1080p60 while the $600 Sony A57 and lots of other much cheaper cameras do.

And I don't think indie filmmakers will only have the 6D as an option, the 5D2 was one of the best-selling DSLR's of all time and there are more than I can count on Craigslist right now and I'm sure they'll be around for a while.   And there are lots of other alternatives coming around, I think Canon is slipping, I hate to say it but it's true. 
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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2012, 12:41:38 AM »
As an owner of the 5D Mark III and 1DX, this camera with it's shiny new built-in Wifi and GPS just feels like a giant kick it the balls. At the very least Canon should have built-in the wireless radio transmitter for firing the new flashes into the 1D series bodies. That would have proven that they had their customers needs in mind over lining their pockets with huge profit margins. Yes they would have made less profit than selling it as a separate unit but still won out in mind share (which leads to larger profits in the long run). As long as we just keep forking over our hard earned money without complaint, Canon has no reason to ever consider changing. It's time we get pissed off over their ridiculous corporate greed of late and voice it.
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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2012, 12:42:01 AM »
It's not "a Rebel body".

It appears to be a lighter, smaller version of the 5D2, with an SD card slot instead of CF.  It is almost the same size as, and a little lighter than, a 7D.  It likely offers much better high ISO than either a 7D or 5D2 (it has the ISO range of the 5D3). 

I'll be interested to learn more about the autofocus:  how good overall, how many cross-type AF points and does it offer AFMA?

Keep in mind that the 5D2 was introduced at $2,700 and is now $1,900.  That's a 26% price reduction over 4 years.  If this new 6D has the same price reduction, it will drop to $1,475 over four years.
In four years the D600 will still be same price as this camera, and will still have much better specs. And I won't be using a DSLR(hopefully), and instead will be using a very similar spec'd D600, but in a mirroless, interchangeable lens body.
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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2012, 12:51:20 AM »
Every time Canon introduces a camera, there is whining about alleged "greediness" and building things "just for profit".  As usual, people are screaming "that's the last straw" and saying they're switching to another brand.

I tried two other brands for an extended period of time, spending quite a lot of money and time on them.  My theory was that the grass must be greener across the fence.  But working with the other brands made me realize that Canon's stuff is really outstanding, and the other brands weren't any better; they were actually worse in some important details.

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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2012, 12:58:01 AM »
In four years the D600 will still be same price as this camera, and will still have much better specs. And I won't be using a DSLR(hopefully), and instead will be using a very similar spec'd D600, but in a mirroless, interchangeable lens body.
Good luck with that.  But not everything is in the specs.  You have to use a camera to really see if it's better or worse.

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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2012, 01:01:34 AM »
I want one -- I think some details are too overrated. Too much of a marketing race (right term?) with Nikon. Not all features are really that important

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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2012, 02:00:23 AM »
Man 'Screw-Canon' (hyphen to make "one word")
SO basically I spent $1500 for weather sealing on my 5Diii. Plus the $800 on wifi; and to get GPS another $280. The release of the 6D is my tipping point, Canon camera only cares about profit, not innovation. The 5Diii was not the best camera Canon could have released at that price, they intentionally hold back just for profit. The iPhone5 was just released only one year later with better everything then its predecessor and at the same price point; not only that it has better tech then my 5Diii and only cost $167 in material to make. http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4396139/IPhone-5-bill-of-materials-comes-in--167-50?itc=edit_stub
More evidence is the dumbing down of sensors, I'm sure the 6D picture will be 'almost as good' as the 5Diii. The new T4i with Digic 5 should outperform the 7D but Canon wants to keep the out dated 7D selling at least for another year given the recent firmware updates.
I'll keep my Canon cameras because of the lenses, but the fact is others have already beat Canon for less and Canon releases this.

Do you think it's something new that electronics companies (or any company for that matter) has different products at different price points in their line up?   They're all cameras so there has to be some differentiation in features, quality, etc. to justify the price.

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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2012, 02:16:18 AM »
Embarrassing!

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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2012, 02:34:53 AM »
I reckon it will make a great 2nd body to my 5D3, even if it is mainly used for video.

Now I can retire my overworked old 60D with over 100,000 shutter actuations and still going strong!

There is always new tech in every new camera.
Some of you are whining because it has GPS and wireless, but I could imagine how much you would whine if it had nothing new in it!

You can't please all of the people all the time...................................

Oh yes, and the price will come down within 6 or so months and then it will be quite affordable too.

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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2012, 02:39:04 AM »
this thread makes me think about how the fanclub of Mac is reacting to everything new. They start crying of joy and lining up to buy stuff, no matter what they release. Hard core Canon users are almost always disatisfied with what canon bring to the market, still they keep using their stuff.

The big reason why canon can afford to dissapoint their user, is that the market for DSLR are booming. Even though they are loosing market share, they are still increasing their production. So, they have probably made their choice, earn money now, hold back the best and when the rising dslr market has been mature its time to shock release inovation again. Or, it is just stupidity behind it. They have grown like a dinosour and have lost the inovation culture, like Sony has done. If so, then the other brands are going to eat a larger part of the cake in 2-3 year. Nikon is definently going to be the big winner here.

The price will fall. As soon as production is up, it will fall with some hundred. It will probably end up right above the 7d price before the summer.
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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2012, 02:43:46 AM »
As usual the complaining starts because either it has something a more expensive camera does not have, or it does not spray unicorn poop and flowers.

This camera is not meant to replace the 5D2, that was the 5D3. The recent pricing of the 5D2 was done to sell off the stock that Canon had in channel and warehouses, as well as serve as a temporary place filler. For those of use who have a 5D (like me) this camera is an upgrade, for those who have any crop camer this is a bridge camera designed to get people into full frame. For the 1st time both Canon and Nikon have full frame cameras in the 2k range!!

For those who complain that the 6D isn't a D600, who gives a rats ass other than those who chew specs. I own 5 full frame lenses and have an IR converted 20D. This new camera becomes my standard color body and my 5D gets IR converted. Perhaps I will get two and IR convert one. The point is that my price point just got sweeter for full frame. 5D2 used bodies will drop to around 1500 so maybe I get two of those, either way I have more options.

Rejoice and stop bitching people.

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Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2012, 02:50:01 AM »
piece of cr*p!

20D, 5D I ... AF .. all over!

For USD 999,- it would have been a lame "FF-Rebel". At USD 2100,- Canon is committing sppuku.
Double homerun for Nikon. D800. ANd even the weak D600 scores big time.

Canon ... go home!

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