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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2012, 10:53:07 AM »
yeah this isn't for folks who already own 5D2s.  it's for us schlubs who've never had a full-frame DSLR. it's not a pro-AF but can it really be worse than the 5D2? i doubt it if the -3EV AF is even close to correct. really the biggest disappointment is the lack of articulated screen. i would trade GPS and a touchscreen just for that after finding it so useful on my 60D.

provided it passes the hands-on test, i'll probably give it a year after its release when the retail price goes down well sub-$2000 and then pick up a refurb. maybe it'll be available on the CLP by then as well. that should be a pretty fair price for a FF with Digic 5+
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« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2012, 10:59:43 AM »
I have a 5D Mark II.  I bought it a few months ago for $1500 on craigslist.  After owning it for a short time, I now know that I should have made that purchase years ago.  I have a considerable amount of money tied up in "L" lenses.  I've always spent the money on glass first.  That being said...

If I were upgrading from anything less than FF, and could afford it, I'd probably go for the new technology.  The 6D has Digic 5+, built in Wifi, silent shutter mode, GPS and a smartphone app.  That alone would sway me towards the 6D.  Though, imagine the used price market on the Mark II when the 6D hits.  It would be very affordable to pick up a nice used Mark II for backup or whatever.

So, in the end, you can't go wrong with either choice.  I absolutely enjoy my Mark II.  This is a total win-win...

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What is your prediction regarding the used-price market for the 5DII? My guess is that if it's discontinued the price will go up and you'll likely pay more for it than the current new price. It all depends of course where the 5DIII price is going and we just saw some positive indicators. The 6D seems too much of a trade off in my opinion to be taken serious by people who had invested in and are used to a 5DII.

If my 5DII broke tomorrow beyond repair I'd be willing to spend up to $2000 for a replacement. I'd be hard pressed to add another 800 bucks for a 5DIII. I would not consider the 6D at all at any price really. 1/4000 max shutter speed, 1/180 sync speed, smaller form factor with more plastic, worse viewfinder are total deal breakers.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2012, 12:44:17 PM »
First question is when you do need it? If you can wait then obviously do that. If not then you only have one option. Waiting will also give time for reviews and such. If it's anything like the 5d mark iii it'll come down in price a fair amount soon after it's released so if you can afford to wait that would make sense.

Next is what are you shooting? The biggest advantage the 6D will have over the 5d mark ii is most likely in the sensor. If you don't need the higher sensitivity then the things you loose like the shutter speed and build quality might be worth sticking with 5d ii. The other thing that factors in is price. I bought my 5d mark ii brand new for pretty much $1600 after you factor in $800 for the 24-105. For $500 more I don't think it's worth it. However when that price comes down then it becomes more tempting. It looks like it has the same metering system as the 5D iii and the AF should at least be a little better. The other deficiencies aren't a huge deal to me and are things I can work around. The wifi could open up a lot of really cool uses but once again none of this will be known until we have units shipping to reviewers.
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2012, 02:11:00 PM »
i would say it comes down to Handling Vs Image Quality.

the 6D with new metering, newer sensor (which doesn't mean much in Canon book), Digi5+, possible useable higher ISO looks like will delivery better IQ than the "older" 5d2.

Handling and specs, the 5D2 still sounds better, namely VF, 1/8000, CF card.

i think whats missing from all the post above is the video capability of the 6D, looking at the spec, looks like its 5D3 territory?

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2012, 03:02:05 PM »
i think whats missing from all the post above is the video capability of the 6D, looking at the spec, looks like its 5D3 territory?

No, video looks like 1dc or Nikon territory - uncompressed hdmi, 1080p/60fps ... let's hope Magic Lantern will be able to do something about that.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2012, 03:52:34 PM »
I'm considering picking up either the 6D or 5D Mk II, which camera would you expect to be better? How many 5D Mk II owners would swap their camera for the 6D? Are there any advantages the 5D Mk II holds over the 6D?

If you are in the UK, I was looking at the 5D Mk iii or the 6D. The UK price of the 6D is £1800 (delivery before xmas) and then saw Digital Rev (Hong Kong) have them for £2080, free delivery and they pay the TAX. £280 of my maths seemed like a lot more camera for the money.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2012, 04:16:50 PM »
Agreed, if you got a MK II, save your money.  If you have no FF, I'd go 6d.  Same AF performance.  Likely better high ISO peformance (need to see real world images to confirm).  Assuming the ISO is there its worth the money over the MKII just for that, plus you'll get wifi built in, a better LCD, etc. 

If you got a MKII already, look for one of those $2800USD Ebay deals on a MKIII...


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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2012, 04:23:21 PM »
I'm considering picking up either the 6D or 5D Mk II, which camera would you expect to be better? How many 5D Mk II owners would swap their camera for the 6D? Are there any advantages the 5D Mk II holds over the 6D?

If you are in the UK, I was looking at the 5D Mk iii or the 6D. The UK price of the 6D is £1800 (delivery before xmas) and then saw Digital Rev (Hong Kong) have them for £2080, free delivery and they pay the TAX. £280 of my maths seemed like a lot more camera for the money.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2012, 04:25:20 PM »
Agreed, if you got a MK II, save your money.  If you have no FF, I'd go 6d.  Same AF performance.

Um, you did notice the 6d looses its one cross point af with lenses of f2.8 and faster? That is hardly "same af performance" and unfortunately will be the reason I won't buy a 6d at any price. It kills the 6d as the 5d2 upgrade as "poor man's event/wedding ff" and this is probably what Canon intended to do.

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« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2012, 04:36:15 PM »
i have a 450d at the moment,and was getting a 5dii but with the release of the 6d,i just don't know which one to go with :-\

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2012, 04:39:27 PM »
(apologies for the cross-post)

The 5D c was "the original entry-level full-frame camera"

The 5DII was the upgrade of the original entry-level FF camera, to which they added movie mode almost as an afterthought & turned the cinematography world on its head.

The 5DIII is clearly *not* an entry-level FF camera; it's very much a professional camera that sits in the lineup with cameras like the 1DIV.  It's got professional AF, professional construction & sealing (which is why it doesn't have built-in wi-fi & gps; the signals won't go through the all-metal body).  And a professional price...

But the 5DII is still selling like crazy several months after the 5DIII was released, because you can get a brand one now from reputable shops for a little over half the price of a mk3 (or a guaranteed refurb for ~$200 less than that, putting it comfortably under half the cost of its "replacement").

As noted here the other day, the 5DII just hit four years old.  The supply contracts on some of the components are probably running out soon, which means that some of the parts needed to make it won't be available anymore (or at least not in the prices & volumes that they're used to).  This would require redesigning circuits (& possibly firmware) to use newer components that replace the discontinued ones.  I'm sure Fukushima didn't help the supply contract situation much either.  The end result is that they have a near-obsolete camera (from a manufacturing perspective) that is still selling like crazy, which is not really a situation they've been in before in recent memory.

So they would be braindead not to replace the "just under $2K" full-frame position in their lineup with something in the segment that will continue capitalizing on the demand for an FF camera in this price range. 

And it'll appeal to a wider audience than the 5DII it replaces.  It's smaller, lighter, takes the SD cards that the cameras that a lot of people upgrading to it have, and has better low-light performance & better AF (which is why I'm getting one).

I think it's clear by now that the 6D is *not* in fact a reaction to the D600; if it was they surely would have put at least 7D-grade AF and the LCD viewfinder overlay screen in there.

The 6D is the replacement for the 2012 5DII.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2012, 04:54:40 PM »
Well it is now confirmed that the 6D has 11 point AF with only one cross type point.

So you'll be using the old focus and recompose technique, no matter which camera you pick.

If I were you, I'd abandon ship and go for the D600. Looks like a much much better camera.

I i didn't had so many Canon glass i had dropped the ship few months ago when 5D3 was announced and go for D800.
I tried the D800.  I even bought some high end Nikon glass to try with it.  The D800 is a very good body, but finding Nikon glass is difficult.  I mainly used the 24-70mm f/2.8G.  It had such bad CA that it could not be corrected.  Then, there is no equivalent for the 135mm L, the 24-105mm L, the 100-400mm L, none of my favorite lenses have anything nearly as good, and the price of the inferior glass is higher.
This takes away most of any high resolution advantage the body gives.
High ISO noise is also a issue, but if you stay at 400 or less, the DR is fabulous.
You might be unhappy trying to match your Canon lenses.  After all, Glass is much more important in the long run.  Nikon lenses have even more AFMA issues, they are glued together, forget any maintenance that you can do yourself, and live view on the D800 is slow and barely usable.  Tethering software is not included, and when it is, its painfully slow.  There are lots of little things that reading the hype does not tell you.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2012, 05:14:48 PM »
Some Canon lenses are better or even unique, no doubt about it. Especially in the tele segment.
But what about the Nikon 50mm f/1.4G? The 85mm f/1.8G? The 14-24?
Chipped versions of Samyang 14mm and 35mm.
The Voigtländer 40mm f/2 pancake.
Sigma lenses having a more reliable AF.

The trade-off is surely not that bad, though I understand that if you shoot at +300mm Canon still has the lead.

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« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2012, 05:28:12 PM »
For me its all about the noise performance... I love my 5D3 and looking for that backup body. The 5D2 is tested and true but it seems like the 6D will perform better in low light. Since everything else is about the same that will be my true deciding factor... And at this point one cannot make a true decision over which body to get, till we get some real images to look at.

And really canon ONLY 11 Af points??? at least give me my 7D full frame camera....
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2012, 06:01:59 PM »
Hi

I have a 5D mk2 and I am definitely not considering getting a 6D. I am sure there will be improvements over the mk 2 but I doubt the improvements would validate an update.

Only body purchase I might consider is the high mp one if it has good DR... I am mainly shooting landscapes, so don't have much of a need for high fps or AF system a la 5D mk3 or 1Dx.

6D is an entry level FF though, I do not think it is aimed at anyone who already has a FF camera...

Cheers!

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I would get the 6D over the 5Dm2 (I think).  I will need to see more details.  The GPS is a major plus for me with the photos I shoot.  And I hope Canon gets in the habit of adding built-in GPS now.

But, that 45MP, High Dynamic Range camera is still the future...
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