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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #60 on: September 18, 2012, 11:08:47 AM »
When was the last time a digital camera went up in price because it was discontinued, it's not a collectable, it will go down in price.
Not sure about bodies but the used price of the 24-70mm mk i seems to have risen since the release of the mk ii...

If the 6d af is at least "acceptable" and the 5d3 price continues to sink, I don't think the 5d2 will rise in price - though it might stick where it is now. The price 24-70 mk1 is ridiculously high atm, but imho that's just because the mk2 is not on the shelves in numbers and the used mk1 market is thinned by the long mk2 delay.

Lenses are a bit of a different beast too.  Since they remain relevant and useful regardless of the new technology put into the bodies.  Lenses are an investment, or at least as close as you can get to one in the technological product world.  I do think the used prices will fall though.  As stated - the old ones are discontinued and the new ones are just now out many months later. 

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« Reply #61 on: September 18, 2012, 02:04:00 PM »
6D or 5D II?  Get a D600 and never look back.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2012, 05:27:57 AM »
When was the last time a digital camera went up in price because it was discontinued, it's not a collectable, it will go down in price.
Not sure about bodies but the used price of the 24-70mm mk i seems to have risen since the release of the mk ii...

If the 6d af is at least "acceptable" and the 5d3 price continues to sink, I don't think the 5d2 will rise in price - though it might stick where it is now. The price 24-70 mk1 is ridiculously high atm, but imho that's just because the mk2 is not on the shelves in numbers and the used mk1 market is thinned by the long mk2 delay.

Lenses are a bit of a different beast too.  Since they remain relevant and useful regardless of the new technology put into the bodies.  Lenses are an investment, or at least as close as you can get to one in the technological product world.  I do think the used prices will fall though.  As stated - the old ones are discontinued and the new ones are just now out many months later. 

-Brian

A very solid point well made sir! (just bitter about the 24-70 mki slowly rising as it's possibly my next lens purchase once I go fulll frame!)  ;)

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2012, 11:39:30 AM »
Since the 6D is post-600EX-RT, I assume there would be some advantage to having a 6D over a 5DII for HSS off-camera, though I know some people are not feeling limited by the 5DII in that regard.

While Canon says otherwise, it has been confirmed by multiple users that hss & x-sync works just fine with 600rt + 5d2. You won't get the in-camera menus and the new option flash groups, though.

The real advantage would have been if the 6d had a rf-controller next to gps/wifi - would certainly have been possible since it's not full metal.

People are already pissed they put in the wifi and GPS since they didn't put it in the other bodies. If they'd done that then it would of been even worse complaining. Also, I think I read the range on the wifi is only 50m vs 150m external. So it might not provide as much range as an external option.
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2012, 11:42:23 AM »

People are already pissed they put in the wifi and GPS since they didn't put it in the other bodies. If they'd done that then it would of been even worse complaining. Also, I think I read the range on the wifi is only 50m vs 150m external. So it might not provide as much range as an external option.

Hard to blame them. It was the same thing happened to fresh 5D2 users when a few months later the 7D came out with a brand new, finally performing AF.

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« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2012, 12:36:42 PM »
Since the 6D is post-600EX-RT, I assume there would be some advantage to having a 6D over a 5DII for HSS off-camera, though I know some people are not feeling limited by the 5DII in that regard.

While Canon says otherwise, it has been confirmed by multiple users that hss & x-sync works just fine with 600rt + 5d2. You won't get the in-camera menus and the new option flash groups, though.

The real advantage would have been if the 6d had a rf-controller next to gps/wifi - would certainly have been possible since it's not full metal.

People are already pissed they put in the wifi and GPS since they didn't put it in the other bodies. If they'd done that then it would of been even worse complaining. Also, I think I read the range on the wifi is only 50m vs 150m external. So it might not provide as much range as an external option.

Actually, I thought I read it was more like 30m - but that's typical of small consumer electronics. You'll be hard pressed to do a real-world test with Bluetooth or WiFi outside of 30 meters (about 100 feet). Keep in mind that they only post what can be solidly achieved with no hope of failure in these tests. Usually when a manufacturer announces these kinds of range specs, most users can experience even double the performance. It will all come down to the particular scenario, i.e. indoors, outdoors, signal interference, strength of broadcast, movement of user, other environmental factors...

Also there's a hands-on example of the AF system available on the Fred Miranda forums that I'm going to post on a separate thread. It looks like the center point of the 6D is next to revolutionary, and the outer points outperform the 5D2 with ease (also, they're not assist points like the 5D2).

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2012, 12:48:46 PM »
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2012, 12:59:40 PM »
I mean, in the end, is the $400-$500 worth dealing with the 5D's AF system and losing like... I can't even count how many stops of sensitivity at the center point, and ISO levels.

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« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2012, 01:38:48 PM »
I'm surprised to see such a large percentage of people, vote for the 6D over the now-discounted 5DII.

I'm a APS-C shooter looking to move to FF... after seeing the shape of things, I snapped up a $2600 5D2 kit from amazon, to replace my 7D and 17-55.  I figure that means I paid $1700 or so for the 5D2 itself.

The biggest things that I didn't like were the only-marginal improvements in AF, the need to make part of the body plastic for the wifi/GPS, making it less dust/weatherproof, and the slower, laggier, less durable shutter. 

As a bonus, my 7D used CF, so I don't need to re-buy memory cards.
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2012, 01:45:51 PM »
nobody can make a informed decision yet based on IQ or AF.
because nobody here knows how good or bad the 6D performs.

if you miss a feature the 5D MK2 has and the 6D not ... ok....  question is how important is it for you?

the bigger competition is the D600.

if i had to buy the 5D MK2 or the 6D im not sure i would buy the 5D MK2.
the 6D´s AF is sure better, IQ maybe, GPS, WIFI... and the resell price will be higher.


still i think the 6D is kind of "meh" for a new camera....
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6D, 5D MK2, 7D, 550D... a lot of Glass.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2012, 03:48:24 PM »
I'd probably buy (after reading reviews) the 6D, but won't be selling my 5D2 to get one.
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2012, 03:55:16 PM »
still i think the 6D is kind of "meh" for a new camera....

This might seem off topic, but it makes me think of Nintendo a bit. There you have another Japanese manufacturer of consumer electronics that got caught in a war of tech escalation with increasingly tight production cycles and plateauing performance, and decided to focus on the customer experience instead of adding +1 to every competitor's specs.

Maybe Canon is taking that same strategy - They're clearly ignoring the D600. I'm sure it would have been nothing to match on the number of AF points, but they chose instead to trounce them on low light performance and accuracy (if early reports are to be believed). They might be ignoring the arms race of more, bigger, faster, and instead are trying to craft products that will create a better experience for a target market. 

I mean, honestly, who is to say what's down the road? Ten years ago, the entire market was driven exclusively by sensor megapixel counts. Today that stat is virtually meaningless for the majority of consumers, and even professionals won't split hairs over a 5 megapixel difference between sensors. In another decade, the entire Internet could be organized by geotags, and then what? You might look back on the 6D as little camera that saw it all coming.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2012, 04:03:21 PM »
A hidden jewel might be present in the built-in Wi-Fi with Android/iOS remote shooting functionality. I believe that people who love to shoot technically challenging scenes, timelapse and macro photography may find the 6D more than adequate - they rarely use AF anyway.

+1 if you are not going the D600 route.
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2012, 04:05:52 PM »
Well it is now confirmed that the 6D has 11 point AF with only one cross type point.

So you'll be using the old focus and recompose technique, no matter which camera you pick.

If I were you, I'd abandon ship and go for the D600. Looks like a much much better camera.

I i didn't had so many Canon glass i had dropped the ship few months ago when 5D3 was announced and go for D800.
So Ricku, can you please elaborate on that? What makes you draw to that conclusion? Specs only?

Nicku, next thing for you now is to abandon this forum and go to the Nikon forum instead then.

Really??  now we have this hate filled fanboi telling us where to shop? Ricku/Nicku: Your opinions are very much appreciated to the rest of us; please continute to provide a sense of balance on the forum.
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2012, 04:42:47 PM »
Whatever, I'm getting a 6D for my collection of sexay white lenses!.  Woot!  For everything else there's the 7D.

(pending IQ/AF tests of course  ;) )

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