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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2012, 05:22:00 PM »
I was saving my money for a 5Diii, when the 6D was announced I considered it, but just yesterday I bought a barley used 5dii for 1,400.

I'm sure the 6D's wi-fi and GPS are nice, I just don't see myself actually using it. The 5diii is very expensive, but is worth every penny, as much as I would like the better AF system it's just not worth the extra price for a casual shooter such as myself. Also seeing that the 5diii sensor is only a small improvement over the 5dii, this pushed me into the 5dii purchase.

Even though value is a subjective term, I think the 6D, 5dii, and 5dii are all decent values. If you can find a lightly used 5dii for a reasonable price I would go for that, put the money you save into glass.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2012, 05:22:00 PM »

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2012, 06:28:48 PM »
Well it is now confirmed that the 6D has 11 point AF with only one cross type point.

So you'll be using the old focus and recompose technique, no matter which camera you pick.

If I were you, I'd abandon ship and go for the D600. Looks like a much much better camera.

I i didn't had so many Canon glass i had dropped the ship few months ago when 5D3 was announced and go for D800.
So Ricku, can you please elaborate on that? What makes you draw to that conclusion? Specs only?

Nicku, next thing for you now is to abandon this forum and go to the Nikon forum instead then.

Really??  now we have this hate filled fanboi telling us where to shop? Ricku/Nicku: Your opinions are very much appreciated to the rest of us; please continute to provide a sense of balance on the


Didn't see that coming. I have to admit. Hate filled and fanboy to describe me. Well I guess one will never stop being surprisedeven at my age. Hate filled and aggressive is what I would like to use to describe comments like yours. I simply asked one of them to provide an explanation to his views and tried to point out that this is not Canonbashing.com. Comments like theirs about a products they've never seen and most definitely are not the target market for, comes off as quite childish. I think criticism is good and can be constructive when used properly and I hope to see more of it. To this point reading this forum has helped me alot in developing as a photographer and also making decisions on what gear to buy. I am sure, had I once chosen to go the Nikon path, I would have been equally happy. But I didn't and in my view nothing has happened that made me regret my choice.

I even picked up the 5D3 that I am sure you and your buddies also think is a poor product. Well I've learned to use it quite well now and every time I download images from the camera to the pc I'm stunned.

With hopes of a mature and sensible debate on this fine forum.

Jotho


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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #77 on: September 21, 2012, 03:35:05 AM »
I won't be upgrading to either due to too many cons but the 6d would be better for me as it shoots at 60/50fps which I need for my work.
If the 5dmkII had that small feature then that alone would be enough for me to upgrade.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #78 on: September 21, 2012, 05:57:57 AM »
If you want a perfect body quality and you have a lot of CF cards get the 5D Mark II. Speed and AF is not all if you only use the camera for landscapes, stills and portraits.

No other camera until today can beat the 5D Mark II in this price class.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #79 on: September 21, 2012, 07:59:36 AM »
If you think about Nikon D600 you should wait for nice review first. All Nikons, except D800 has poor Auto ISO  function, which ignore current focal lenght. Nikon D600 can have good from D800 or poor as any other Nikon's.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2012, 09:17:11 AM »
i'd side more towards the 6d since its supposed to have a better auto focus system and a new digic 5 processor. but i still think the 5d2 is a great value for a FF camera

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2012, 09:24:50 AM »
If I were to choose TODAY, I would likely go with the 6D.
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2012, 09:24:50 AM »

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #82 on: September 21, 2012, 02:11:52 PM »
If I were to choose TODAY, I would likely go with the 6D.

... and then wait until December ... and then some, think of the 24-70ii and 1dx. Did Canon actually mention *which* December the 6d will be shipped in volume numbers :-p ?

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #83 on: September 21, 2012, 02:15:48 PM »
If I were to choose TODAY, I would likely go with the 6D.

... and then wait until December ... and then some, think of the 24-70ii and 1dx. Did Canon actually mention *which* December the 6d will be shipped in volume numbers :-p ?

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #84 on: September 21, 2012, 02:45:36 PM »
If I were to choose TODAY, I would likely go with the 6D.

... and then wait until December ... and then some, think of the 24-70ii and 1dx. Did Canon actually mention *which* December the 6d will be shipped in volume numbers :-p ?

 ;D thanks for the laugh!  let's try to remember the 6D is just vaporware for us unwashed masses at the moment.
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #85 on: September 21, 2012, 03:02:49 PM »
If I were to choose TODAY, I would likely go with the 6D.

... and then wait until December ... and then some, think of the 24-70ii and 1dx. Did Canon actually mention *which* December the 6d will be shipped in volume numbers :-p ?

Hey man... can't bash Canon on that, after all they did have all the floods in Thailand... that must have affected their RM suppliy lines.... Oh never mind, that was Nikon who is delivering the 6D upon announcement.  ;)
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #86 on: September 21, 2012, 11:41:29 PM »
I guess I am stuck waiting for the 5D Mk IV since Canon did not include GPS with the unit. Seriously, we are in 2012 and GPS in a camera is treated as something special???

And I will not even begin to consider the 6D since it is an even number - I only like even numbers for my TV volume setting, number of plates, cups, etc.
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #87 on: September 22, 2012, 02:21:00 AM »
Spec lists and real performance are different things. If Canon has improved AF capabilities of a single line AF point to make it better than recent cross point structures - the specs which count and describe the number or type of AF points are non-information for real performance.
Reasoning about sensor quality without having seen a representative number of images made with this sensor and its processor is wasting time. We have to wait.

A second point is usability: Is GPS worth it? Is WiFi worth it? Clear answer: It depends on the users requirements. For me the chance to have the live view image on my smart phone is a better alternative than a flip screen mirror. If the live view is fast enough and the corresponding app is ergonimically designed.

At the moment I couldn't decide - and there is no need for me to decide. Let's wait for the full spectrum of lab and real world tests - than we will have a basis for decisions.
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #87 on: September 22, 2012, 02:21:00 AM »

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #88 on: September 22, 2012, 03:46:23 AM »
Spec lists and real performance are different things. If Canon has improved AF capabilities of a single line AF point to make it better than recent cross point structures - the specs which count and describe the number or type of AF points are non-information for real performance.

If I'd be a Canon seller, I'd also say the specs mean nothing :-) ... but I've shot with a non-cross sensor for years (eos rt, eos 620), and no low light capability can fix the degraded pattern detection, try focusing venetian blinds or a fence with vertical bars. The 6d will be no bad camera and the af system is most likely better than the 5d2, but except for the center point sensor that doesn't mean much.

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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #89 on: October 22, 2012, 12:57:55 PM »
I played with the 6D prototype at Exposure in Toronto recently.  Personally I found the ergonomics far nicer than those of the 5D Mk II - and well tuned for one handed operation.  The 5D Mk II is a bit like holding a brick if you have small hands..  The only draw backs I see are the 1/4000 shutter and the 1/180 sync.  However lets be realistic, the difference between 1/200 and 1/180 sync isn't going to mean much (1/6 of a stop).  And I find when I need 1/8000 I normally also need an ND filter anyway, which brings me down to 1/500 or something like that.

The shutter life difference could be an issue, but then you have to ask how many photos do you actually shoot?  And how long do you plan to keep the camera before replacing it?

However for me the huge selling point of the 6D is the "silent" shutter!  Assuming it works on the production cameras like it does on the prototype - wow is it quiet compared to the 5D Mk II!  It I can think of so many places (events, street, ect.) it would be great to have that feature.

The extra ISO performance, and -3 EV auto-focus are also really important to me (if they work of course).

Other things to consider. The 600EX-RT flashes can only do high-speed wireless sync with newer cameras.  Of course you can do this with pocket wizards flex things, but I think that's the more expensive option now.

And the 6D is a bit snapper to play back, and zoom images.  Don't know if that matters or not.

It's arguable which actually has the better build quality and weather sealing.  Have to wait for someone to take apart a 6D to know for sure.

Overall I'm waiting for the 6D.  However if I owned a 5D Mk II, I'm not sure it's actually worth the upgrade, more likely I would sell it, and try to get a 5D Mk III on-sale instead - which is a clear upgrade in every possible way.

If I was shooting mostly at ISO 100-3200, didn't need the quiet shutter, and could live with manual focus when the auto-focus gave out in the dark, and didn't plan to get 600EX-RTs, I'd go for the 5D Mk II for the price and live with the less ideal ergonomics.

As for the WiFi and GPS.  Well, you can use newer Android phones with a USB cable to control the camera, so WiFi for remote release isn't something I'd miss with the 5D Mk II.  And if I wanted to Geotag images, I'd just get one of the many GPS tracker apps for my phone, and sync with LightRoom and time stamps.  Yes having them is convenient, but it's not a deal breaker/maker in either direction.  If I had the money I'd get the 5D Mk III without a question and forget about the WiFi and GPS.

And if the option of switching brands isn't too painful, look at the D600.  I did, and liked it for the most part.  However the live-view implementation in manual mode is painful to say the least, so I'm sicking with Canon for now.
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Re: 6D or 5D Mk II
« Reply #89 on: October 22, 2012, 12:57:55 PM »