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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2012, 10:34:23 AM »
Either way it's going to sell like hotcakes.

To whom, exactly?

n00bs, students, parents?

Just because somebody buys doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. A body is only one piece in a whole ecosystem. The GPS and Wifi might be nice to have integrated and you can complain all you want about the specs but it's not really that bad. There's a couple things that would of been nice to have but I'm sure this camera will take some great pictures.

Exactly. Most gearheads bitching and whining about the specs don't know how to take good pictures let alone know how to shoot in manual.
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2012, 10:34:23 AM »

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2012, 10:37:45 AM »
If you want a nice camera, pay for it.

If you can't afford it, don't bitch about how Canon sold you short or how they should do something like a D600.

Another $1000 and you have a 5D3, get a job, earn some more, save some money and buy what you want rather than hope a manufacturer will give you something for nothing.

Wow, what a condescending post!  You sir, are an asshole.  I have had nothing but great experiences on this board until this whole 6D thing... and for some reason it's brought out the assholes.

I have a job... a really great one where I make plenty of money (and work hard for it).  Photography for me (and a lot of people including the main people the 6D and D600 are aimed at) is a HOBBY.  As such there are other places in our lives where we put money other than camera gear... and an enthusiast is always smart to shop for the best deal they can get with their dollars.  That's what allows them to continue their hobby while keeping a balance with the rest of their lives.

Could I buy a MKIII? Absolutely!  Do I need a MKIII?  No.  If I am spending $2000 (which is a decent sum for a hobby) do I want the best camera I can get?  Yes!  Is that best camera a D600?  That is looking likely.

This is nothing personal.  I'm not advocating that everyone jumps to Nikon or anything like that.  But Canon does need to understand that the hobbyist is willing to leave for a better ship.  I don't take change like this lightly, but when the facts are staring you in the face and you have to decide where to put your money... You cannot deny that the D600 offers MUCH more for the same price.

I'm not going anywhere just yet.  I'm going to wait for the real reviews and make an informed decision... but right now it's not looking good.

Please get off your high horse and try to understand why the rest of us are dissappointed n this announcement...

+1, well said

You know in the mainstream all I see whenever a new body is realeased are people complaining about what it doesn't have. Like they're owed something by any one manufacturer, like anyone here actually cares about Canon as a company or that they actually care what the armchair commentators with no industry experience think.

People only care about them in hope that they will continue to support and deliver a decent product. If there was a clear advantage over any one system people would leave to go to that. There is no loyalty with consumers over a product. none whatsoever. I for one am sick and tired of people saying Canon had better sort themselves out or..or..or what exactly?

So what if it only has one cross type sensor. Who cares really? Why would anyone care other than they're invested in Canon glass and will lose money to switch. All completely selfish motives.

Peoples expectations are way too high. Canon doesn't care about you guys. They care about the bottom line. They want you to either upgrade from your crop sensor to full frame and your glass as a consequence (hey, they'd love you to have two bodies) but at the same time they don't want to piss off the pro's by giving you something to close to their pro product.

It isn't a pissing contest between two manufacturers. Canon really doesn't care about what Nikon does. If they did they would of delivered more. Nikon are the company eating their own young by confusing the marketplace and having lots of crossovers between bodies with cameras that don't even work properly.

Don't get me started on the light leak issue....

Any of these cameras out today are mindblowingly good. The 5D2 and 1Ds3 still take amazing pictures, they can be had cheaper / same price as the 6D and readily available. The 6D 'might' be out in December. Christ people are complaining about the release date too!

10-14 years ago we had film. Canon have delivered time and time again from the Eos-1V to the 1DX. I wish people would stop complaining about little things and go out and take some damn pictures instead. Actually use the cameras.

If a new release doesn't have the features you want, expect to buy a different body which has them. Canon will never cannibalise the pro segment to satisfy the consumer level products. Nikon might, Canon won't.

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2012, 10:45:11 AM »
If you want a nice camera, pay for it.

If you can't afford it, don't bitch about how Canon sold you short or how they should do something like a D600.

Another $1000 and you have a 5D3, get a job, earn some more, save some money and buy what you want rather than hope a manufacturer will give you something for nothing.

Wow, what a condescending post!  You sir, are an asshole.  I have had nothing but great experiences on this board until this whole 6D thing... and for some reason it's brought out the assholes.

I have a job... a really great one where I make plenty of money (and work hard for it).  Photography for me (and a lot of people including the main people the 6D and D600 are aimed at) is a HOBBY.  As such there are other places in our lives where we put money other than camera gear... and an enthusiast is always smart to shop for the best deal they can get with their dollars.  That's what allows them to continue their hobby while keeping a balance with the rest of their lives.

Could I buy a MKIII? Absolutely!  Do I need a MKIII?  No.  If I am spending $2000 (which is a decent sum for a hobby) do I want the best camera I can get?  Yes!  Is that best camera a D600?  That is looking likely.

This is nothing personal.  I'm not advocating that everyone jumps to Nikon or anything like that.  But Canon does need to understand that the hobbyist is willing to leave for a better ship.  I don't take change like this lightly, but when the facts are staring you in the face and you have to decide where to put your money... You cannot deny that the D600 offers MUCH more for the same price.

I'm not going anywhere just yet.  I'm going to wait for the real reviews and make an informed decision... but right now it's not looking good.

Please get off your high horse and try to understand why the rest of us are dissappointed n this announcement...

+1, well said

You know in the mainstream all I see whenever a new body is realeased are people complaining about what it doesn't have. Like they're owed something by any one manufacturer, like anyone here actually cares about Canon as a company or that they actually care what the armchair commentators with no industry experience think.

People only care about them in hope that they will continue to support and deliver a decent product. If there was a clear advantage over any one system people would leave to go to that. There is no loyalty with consumers over a product. none whatsoever. I for one am sick and tired of people saying Canon had better sort themselves out or..or..or what exactly?

So what if it only has one cross type sensor. Who cares really? Why would anyone care other than they're invested in Canon glass and will lose money to switch. All completely selfish motives.

Peoples expectations are way too high. Canon doesn't care about you guys. They care about the bottom line. They want you to either upgrade from your crop sensor to full frame and your glass as a consequence (hey, they'd love you to have two bodies) but at the same time they don't want to piss off the pro's by giving you something to close to their pro product.

It isn't a pissing contest between two manufacturers. Canon really doesn't care about what Nikon does. If they did they would of delivered more. Nikon are the company eating their own young by confusing the marketplace and having lots of crossovers between bodies with cameras that don't even work properly.

Don't get me started on the light leak issue....

Any of these cameras out today are mindblowingly good. The 5D2 and 1Ds3 still take amazing pictures, they can be had cheaper / same price as the 6D and readily available. The 6D 'might' be out in December. Christ people are complaining about the release date too!

10-14 years ago we had film. Canon have delivered time and time again from the Eos-1V to the 1DX. I wish people would stop complaining about little things and go out and take some damn pictures instead. Actually use the cameras.

If a new release doesn't have the features you want, expect to buy a different body which has them. Canon will never cannibalise the pro segment to satisfy the consumer level products. Nikon might, Canon won't.

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2012, 10:45:49 AM »
I'm reading the complaints, and it seems that people are upset Canon actually relies on the user to create a photograph.

"Trying to breathe new life into the old focus & recompose technique?   "

Really?  That's like being upset because you bought a car without auto-parking. "Trying to breathe new life into the old parallel parking technique".

I swear, some of you want focusing technique to go the way of exposure: and that is to take the technique completely out of the equation. 



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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2012, 10:48:47 AM »
Either way it's going to sell like hotcakes.

To whom, exactly?

n00bs, students, parents?

Just because somebody buys doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. A body is only one piece in a whole ecosystem. The GPS and Wifi might be nice to have integrated and you can complain all you want about the specs but it's not really that bad. There's a couple things that would of been nice to have but I'm sure this camera will take some great pictures.

Exactly. Most gearheads bitching and whining about the specs don't know how to take good pictures let alone know how to shoot in manual.

And just like that... boom, there it goes...  people complain or criticize about product and someone just has to go to the personal attack with the same typical defensive response... "I think it's good and I'm awesome so anyone who disagrees must be a gearhead and doesn't know how to take a good picture anyway"... 

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2012, 10:52:08 AM »
I'm reading the complaints, and it seems that people are upset Canon actually relies on the user to create a photograph.

"Trying to breathe new life into the old focus & recompose technique?   "

Really?  That's like being upset because you bought a car without auto-parking. "Trying to breathe new life into the old parallel parking technique".

I swear, some of you want focusing technique to go the way of exposure: and that is to take the technique completely out of the equation.

You mean you have to use your hands? That's like a baby's toy!
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2012, 10:54:25 AM »
Kudos to Canon! (Assuming the sensor is really new and has better DR than the 5D MIII as it should to keep up with the competition.)

I have to admit that I thought all these specs floating around were just a stunt to avoid a collective depression in the Canon community.

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2012, 10:54:25 AM »

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #67 on: September 17, 2012, 10:57:31 AM »
D600 center focus point sensitivity is -1EV
6D center focus point sensitivity is -3EV (-2EV for 5dmk3).
I think it does make sense to wait and see how the AF performs (in-depth reviews) before drawing any conclusions.

That part caught my eye too.  I'm really interested in seeing some trusted reviews.  If this has some crazy next-gen AF sensor, something that can finally keep up with the crazy high ISOs modern sensors are pulling off, we may all be surprised at it's performance.

I would be astounded if the AF is worse than the 9 cross AF on the 60D, and it would be downright stupid of Canon to release something like that in a $2k camera.  If it's at least as good as 60D, I'll probably buy one.  If not, I'll raid the kids piggy banks and get the 5DIII.

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #68 on: September 17, 2012, 11:00:40 AM »
I might be the only one who actually wants this camera. I currently have a 7D and 60D, shoot a mix of subjects (portraits, sports, landscape) for both paid work and for fun, and I take a lot of video with both cameras.

I use the 7D for football with my telephoto zoom and have my 10-22 on the 60D for crowd and close-range photos, which the 6D would be better for (I have the 17-40, which would work, although it's slow). I only use the center AF point, possibly a holdover from my early SLR days. But I'm not overly concerned with "only" 11 AF points.

I've never owned a full-frame (unless you count the EOS 3 film camera), and this seems like a logical step up. I could sell the 60D and 10-22 and be more than halfway to the cost of the 6D. The 5Diii would be ideal, but it's just out of my price range. And if I managed to save up that kind of money, I have a million other things in real life where I should put that money first.

So, yeah. This should be a no-brainer. But for some reason, I already have premature buyers' remorse. And the thing isn't even out yet. Good thing I am forced to sleep on it.
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #69 on: September 17, 2012, 11:04:14 AM »
I own a 5D III and think it's really great. This, IMHO, is a horrible release. It looks video oriented but does really even pull that off. I'm not sure who they think is going to buy this as an entry level full frame (changing lenses anyway) over the D600.

B&H Prices right now:
Canon 6D + 24-70 II = $4400
Nikon D600 + 24-70 = $3985

is there anything the canon will do that is worth $415 to a normal consumer? from the samples so far the D600 has really excellent low light capabilities and the ISO handling looks quite nice. I don't understand what the appeal is for the 6D.

Specs should have been:
22MP (5D3)
45pt AF system (old 1 series) or the 7D system reworked for full frame
cropped 96-97% view finder
built in flash
4 fps
1 x CF card
lesser build quality than 5D3

It also starts shipping in 2 days as opposed to 2 months and knowing Canon's track record might miss Christmas.  I told someone yesterday who is looking for a camera for this fall to go with a D600 as I feel it's just a step below my 5D3 while costing way less. As a consumer (I have no vested interest in Canon) I want to see these companies fight to put out the best cameras possible as we are the ones who really get the best out of it.

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #70 on: September 17, 2012, 11:09:46 AM »
I wish my 5Dm2 had built in GPS...  That is the only feature that I would like. 

Other than that, it doesn't look that bad, and would probably be the camera I would buy if I had to replace my 5Dm2.
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #71 on: September 17, 2012, 11:09:46 AM »
Either way it's going to sell like hotcakes.

To whom, exactly?

n00bs, students, parents?

Just because somebody buys doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. A body is only one piece in a whole ecosystem. The GPS and Wifi might be nice to have integrated and you can complain all you want about the specs but it's not really that bad. There's a couple things that would of been nice to have but I'm sure this camera will take some great pictures.

And that's it in a nutshell!

As an impartial observer, I'm wondering just who are the people doing most of the complaining?
5D MkIII users, I don't really understand those users bitching. After all they are definitely not the target buyers for this camera? Maybe they are annoyed about the built in WiFi and GPS, not being on the MkIII?
Is it current 7D users, disappointed that this isn't the 7D2 they were hoping/expecting?
Is it current 5DMkII users who can't afford a MkIII? They may well have some legitimate cause to comment negatively.

Or are a large number Nikon "trolls", always happy to have a go at Canon?

The fact remains that the people likely to use this camera will neither be pros or semi-pros, and it ought to be accepted that this camera is not for them. They are are, of course, perfectly able to express an opinion re the shortcomings regarding Canon's pricing and design philosphy and the debate is all the more interesting for that.
However, to damn a camera on the basis of it's perceived lack of, or perceived poor features, is a bit premature since nobody has yet had their hands an one to write a review.


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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2012, 11:15:12 AM »
Either way it's going to sell like hotcakes.

To whom, exactly?

n00bs, students, parents?

Just because somebody buys doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. A body is only one piece in a whole ecosystem. The GPS and Wifi might be nice to have integrated and you can complain all you want about the specs but it's not really that bad. There's a couple things that would of been nice to have but I'm sure this camera will take some great pictures.

Exactly. Most gearheads bitching and whining about the specs don't know how to take good pictures let alone know how to shoot in manual.

And just like that... boom, there it goes...  people complain or criticize about product and someone just has to go to the personal attack with the same typical defensive response... "I think it's good and I'm awesome so anyone who disagrees must be a gearhead and doesn't know how to take a good picture anyway"...

Well it's usually the case. I've run into too many gearheads who own all the latest gear, every single L lens, but when you ask them to shoot in manual and properly expose a photo, they scratch their heads. There's too much negativity on the Internet.
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2012, 11:15:12 AM »

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2012, 11:23:05 AM »
I shoot 50 weddings a year and shoot them entirely in manual mode.

The only thing the 6D announcement did was make me wonder why my 1DX didn't get the wifi and GPS treatment, that would of been great for my high end shoots.

Then again, how good is the wifi, it could be really slow.

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2012, 11:28:16 AM »
To both camps on whether or not this is a good camera:   Yes it is.  No question about that.

To both camps on whether it should have more or better features:    Hard to say, it has to find a happy middle ground between the bodies above and below it in the line up.

To both camps on whether Canon made a big mistake and will lose customers:  Hard to say, if anyone doesn't like this body there are other bodies above and below it in the line.  Canon is not betting the farm on this body.

The question to me is what market segment is this body targeted to given the specs and price.   It's a great camera that provides a FF sensor to anyone who doesn't need/want better AF, speed, sealing, durability, etc. etc.  But who are those people and how big is that market.  It's certainly not targeted at pros and it might be too expensive as a step up for anyone looking at a Rebel.

If this body was priced at or below $1500 then the specs start to make sense... enough potential Rebel customers will be tempted by it.  But honestly, the vast majority of average camera consumers who would normally be looking at Rebels don't know the differences between APS-C and FF... so how many of them are going to plunk down $2k for this body over a 60D for $900?

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2012, 11:28:16 AM »