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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #75 on: September 17, 2012, 11:29:48 AM »
I am an amateur photographer who started with Canon about 10 years ago.  I have owned the 10D, 20D, 30D, 50D, 7D and now the 5D MkII.  I have often upgraded over the years - some of the upgrades were less critical than others but I always felt I was getting some value in the upgrade.  I did not purchase the MkII until I got it for under $2k new.  I am very keen on the MkIII but can't justify it at this time.  I would be more than ready to spend $2-$2.5k on a respectable 5D MkII upgrade which would give me a better AF system.  I refuse to throw money at something like the 6D which is clearly dumbed down from what could have been offered.  Especially considering what Nikon is offering. 

I like my Canon kit and can get really nice results with my current lens / body combo.  Starting new I would most likely choose Nikon as I think they tend to hold back less than Canon and therefore offer better value.

My point - I would be willing to give Canon my $$$ on a respectable upgrade to the 5D MkII but I see not a reason to at this time.  Their appear to be overthinking their product strategy while their competitors are giving users more for less.  At this stage I will most likely end up with a used 5D MkIII - maybe bought from someone switching to Nikon - and Canon will have a) lost my upgrade money and b) lost a customer to Nikon.  Not exactly what they are aiming for I assume...

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #75 on: September 17, 2012, 11:29:48 AM »

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2012, 11:31:32 AM »
Where did you see the no AFMA? Other than that I can deal with the other stuff.

So has anyone CONFIRMED that there is no MFA or are we just playing chicken little?

The 6D does have AFMA.  From the Canon USA EOS 6D page, Features section, in the description of the 11-pt AF system:

"For even more customization, adjustment levels for the wide-angle and telephoto ends of particular lenses can be entered and recorded into the camera’s memory."

So...yes to AFMA, and yes to W and T adjustments for zooms, like the 5DIII and 1D X. 

But IMO, other than the -3 EV center point for low light shooting, there are really no redeeming characteristics of this AF system specification.  Point spread no better than the 5DII, two more selectable points but four fewer points in terms of Servo tracking (which wasn't the 5DII's strong point anyway). Sure, the -3 EV is nice, but not salvation by any means given the frequency most users shoot in light that low (my 5DII, spec'd to -0.5 EV, could AF in light that needed ISO 25600).

Only one cross-type sensor, and that one not even a dual cross.

Now that the 60D's 9 cross-type AF with center f/2.8 dual cross has trickled down to the T4i/650D, IMO the Rebel line has a better AF system than the 6D.
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #77 on: September 17, 2012, 11:40:33 AM »
I shoot 50 weddings a year and shoot them entirely in manual mode.

The only thing the 6D announcement did was make me wonder why my 1DX didn't get the wifi and GPS treatment, that would of been great for my high end shoots.

Then again, how good is the wifi, it could be really slow.

I've never used WiFi but the usual assessment is it's too slow if you shoot RAW to be of much practical use.

I'm not sure how well WiFi, GPS, or a build wireless flash transmitter (DarkNightNine suggested this in another thread) would work through the full magnesium frame of a 1DX.

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #78 on: September 17, 2012, 11:43:36 AM »
Well it's usually the case. I've run into too many gearheads who own all the latest gear, every single L lens, but when you ask them to shoot in manual and properly expose a photo, they scratch their heads. There's too much negativity on the Internet.

yawn ... why you you come to a gear website then?   ::)
there are a lot of photograhpy focused forums on the net!

this website is about GEAR TALK....  so what?

and yes, when longtime canon users see better deals from nikon... they tend to be upset and they complain.

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2012, 11:49:21 AM »
I own a 5D III and think it's really great. This, IMHO, is a horrible release. It looks video oriented but does really even pull that off. I'm not sure who they think is going to buy this as an entry level full frame (changing lenses anyway) over the D600.

B&H Prices right now:
Canon 6D + 24-70 II = $4400
Nikon D600 + 24-70 = $3985

Are you seriously comparing the Nikon and Canon 24-70s? Who will pay the $400 difference? Sign me up for one. Sheesh
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2012, 11:50:38 AM »
I can't believe they had the gall to charge more than the Nikon D600. Canon's pricing is downright insulting lately.

Canon's pricing policy is pure MARKETING GENIUS....

........any xxD or xxxD owner will aspire to owning a 6D.... the higher initial entry price for the 6D will ensure (listen to the voices on CR over the last 12 hours as proof) that those serious amateur enthusiasts (incl. 7D owners) will now pony up the extra for a 5D3.....

.... meanwhile lots of budding videographers (look at the Canon 6D  Press Release - it mentions 3 categories of user: PHOTOGRAPHERS, VIDEOGRAPHERS & CINEMATOGRAPHERS - 2 out of 3 are video users) will happily pay 2 grand for a FF DSLR video cam with low-light capability as well as compatibility with the new STM lenses


.... read the threads on this forum re. 6D, commentators have polarized into 2 distinct groups:

 (1) those who have their credit cards out and cannot wait till October to get their hands on a 6D

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(2) those who think its awful and the disappointment is enough to finally trigger their 5D3 purchase


As a 7D owner I wouldn't buy a 6D, but I'm glad that Canon has just protected the residual value of my 7D with their inane pricing strategy

I can see that you're out preaching incessantly about how this joke of a camera is somehow worth the investement, but seriously, your posts are choke full of assumptions and missinformation

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #82 on: September 17, 2012, 11:57:45 AM »
With all the negatives people have to say about this camera. One interesting positive is I believe the metering system is the same as the 5d mark iii correct? That could be a nice addition vs my 5d mark ii one.
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #83 on: September 17, 2012, 12:00:21 PM »
It just feels like this camera was more of an attempt to hit a price point without trying to hit features of any other existing Canon camera rather than a model directed at a specific user base.

They avoided competing with the 60D, t4i & 5D3 by lacking live AF from the t4i, no headphone jack like the 5d3 and no tilt screen of the 60D & 4ti, no clean hdmi out, and no dual card slots.

For photography it seems weak as it is lacking a decent AF system (even something like the 7D), no dual card slots, or at least a single pro CF slot if you can only have 1 (such as the 7D), only 3 bracket exposure vs 7 of the 5d3, way slower than the 5d3 or 7D, no flash, no 100% view finder, only 1/4000 max shutter speed, only 1/180 max flash sync, and usb 2.0.

Then it seems that since this resulted in a body to inexpensive, they added gps & wifi which few people need in a DSLR rather than adding back some of the specs they removed to not compete with the other cameras.

It's a camera that seems weak no matter what area of photography you are in:
For sports - too slow and bad focus system, no CF or dual card slots, No 100%VF, no joystick, limited controls
For Wedding/Event - No dual card slot for backup, poor focus system, slow flash sync, No 100%VF, no af joystick
For video - No live AF, no swivel screen, no headphone jack, no clean hdmi, no dual cards for backup or overflow, no silent operation like the 5D3 or D600
For studio/landscape - No 100%VF, No Backup card, only 20MP vs the D600 & D800, limited DR most likely
For Travel/consumer - No popup flash, no card backup, no swivel screen, no live af, no touch screen

What/who is this camera for. This is clearly Canon's attempt to produce a camera without stepping on any other camera's toes.

Instead, the best camera for each item never include the 6D:
For sports - Buy the 1Dx, 7D, or even 5D3 (don't buy a 6D for this ever)
For Wedding/Event - buy the 5D3, 1Dx, then maybe a 7D or 6D (both have some negatives)
For video - Sony A99, 1Dc, 5D3, 1Dx, 60D,  t4i, then maybe a 6D
For studio/landscape - 5D3 or go Nikon because they are the best for this with the D800 & D600
For Travel/consumer - Nikon D600 or 5D3, t4i, then maybe i'd get a 6D

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #84 on: September 17, 2012, 12:03:26 PM »
I shoot 50 weddings a year and shoot them entirely in manual mode.

The only thing the 6D announcement did was make me wonder why my 1DX didn't get the wifi and GPS treatment, that would of been great for my high end shoots.

Then again, how good is the wifi, it could be really slow.

I've never used WiFi but the usual assessment is it's too slow if you shoot RAW to be of much practical use.

I'm not sure how well WiFi, GPS, or a build wireless flash transmitter (DarkNightNine suggested this in another thread) would work through the full magnesium frame of a 1DX.

A very good point made which I hadn't thought of.

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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #85 on: September 17, 2012, 12:07:17 PM »
I'm not sure how well WiFi, GPS, or a build wireless flash transmitter (DarkNightNine suggested this in another thread) would work through the full magnesium frame of a 1DX.
A very good point made which I hadn't thought of.

I've heard this argument, but really, it would be pretty simple for them to run a couple of 'ribbon' antennas outside the magnesium alloy chassis and under the rubberized material.
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2012, 12:08:07 PM »
As an amateur enthusiast, I moved from the T1i to a 7D over a year ago and love the 7D.  The only reason I've been following this announcement is that I'd like better dynamic range and image quality (not that the 7D is bad.) This camera takes away the on camera flash, which I use to fire two remote 430EXII Speedlites, takes away what's been a great autofocus system on the 7D, and takes away FPS performance.  It gives me GPS (which I never use on my S100) and WiFi, where I still don't understand the value when shooting in RAW.  I don't know about the image quality at this point, but if it's not a major step up, Canon won't be getting my money.  I have 3 L lenses, and the Speedlites, and tons of other Canon gear, so a switch to Nikon probably isn't in the works either.  I hope competition gets Canon producing more complete solutions.

Just disappointed I guess.
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #87 on: September 17, 2012, 12:14:46 PM »
Well the low rent autofocus system and a top shutter speed less than my current 50D have put my wallet right back in my pocket.  I have $2,600 burning a hole in my pocket and I don't think this camera is worth what they are asking.  It really looks like they took out as much stuff as possible and hope the "full frame" would sell it.  Disappointment.  In another 6 months I'll be able to afford a 5D3.  I think that is the way to go
Could of just about had one yesterday as they were selling the mark iii for $2750 on Adorama's ebay page.
I've heard that in a number of places.  I look at canon price watch daily and I did not see this .  Does Adorama have a separate ebay page?  Do you have a link?  I would have jumped on this but I keep missing these.  Thanks
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2012, 12:18:03 PM »
Does it have Micro Focus adjustment?
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2012, 12:22:50 PM »
Well the low rent autofocus system and a top shutter speed less than my current 50D have put my wallet right back in my pocket.  I have $2,600 burning a hole in my pocket and I don't think this camera is worth what they are asking.  It really looks like they took out as much stuff as possible and hope the "full frame" would sell it.  Disappointment.  In another 6 months I'll be able to afford a 5D3.  I think that is the way to go
Could of just about had one yesterday as they were selling the mark iii for $2750 on Adorama's ebay page.
I've heard that in a number of places.  I look at canon price watch daily and I did not see this .  Does Adorama have a separate ebay page?  Do you have a link?  I would have jumped on this but I keep missing these.  Thanks
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Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
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