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Re: 7D!
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2012, 04:30:25 PM »
A 7D2 would be awesome, but does anyone think that Canon may forgo the 7D2 and instead just do a beefed up 70D?  The 7D has always been a bit of an outlier in the Canon family.  With the new 6D inhabiting the mid-range, a 70D that is more the successor to the 7D than the 60D would make a lot of sense.  (Also, allows Canon to have the xD's all be FF and the xxD's all be crop.) 

Of course, whether the update to the 7D is called the 7D mark II or the 70D, I don't care, I just want it!

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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2012, 04:34:38 PM »
The problem as I see it, is that 47% of 7D owners see themselves as victims, expecting Canon to give them a free lunch via Firmware 2.0 or for Magic Lantern to provide additional functionality at next to zero cost, instead of embracing the capitalist system and paying $2999 for a 7D mark II with the same old 18MP T2i sensor, but with the added benefit of geotagging and free wireless in a new semi-plastic body!
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« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2012, 04:39:53 PM »
The problem as I see it, is that 47% of 7D owners see themselves as victims, expecting Canon to give them a free lunch via Firmware 2.0 or for Magic Lantern to provide additional functionality at next to zero cost, instead of embracing the capitalist system and paying $2999 for a 7D mark II with the same old 18MP T2i sensor, but with the added benefit of geotagging and free wireless in a new semi-plastic body!

lol...

are you really so mad at canon?
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« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2012, 04:41:27 PM »
Canon has the best camera in the world right now, but people are angry because they don't have the best 6 cameras in the world right now.  Oh well.

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« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2012, 04:50:02 PM »
Canon has the best camera in the world right now, but people are angry because they don't have the best 6 cameras in the world right now.  Oh well.

the 1dx...yap! a bit to expensive ;)

the other cameras are very good too...to much cristicism in my opinion
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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2012, 04:50:56 PM »
Canon has the best camera in the world right now, but people are angry because they don't have the best 6 cameras in the world right now.  Oh well.

the 1dx...yap! a bit to expensive ;)

the other cameras are very good too...to much cristicism in my opinion

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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2012, 05:37:11 PM »
If Canon were to release the original 7D today, exact same specs as the current camera, it would cost $2,200 USD
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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2012, 05:46:56 PM »
If Canon were to release the original 7D today, exact same specs as the current camera, it would cost $2,200 USD
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SHHHHHHH! 

Don't you give them any ideas, for God's sake!
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« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2012, 05:50:23 PM »
I'd love to see a new 7D (current owner of one) in the next year or so, but it just won't happen.  Best case scenario is this time next year.  Canon recycles their pro and semi-pro bodies every few years, and it hasn't been that long for the 7D.  Not to mention it's been pretty successful, with people still buying it... so why push a new version out in under three years?

Frankly, I'm fine with waiting a year or two for a new 7D.  I still get tons of miles out of mine, and while I do have a wish list for the camera, I don't see a huge margin for improvement without stepping on the feet of some of their other bodies.

But for the record, here's my wish list:

* Better IQ - This is pretty much on everyone's list, and a no brainer for any upgrade -- non-6D, of course
* Expanded AEB - Three shots in a semi-pro body?  pffffft
* Ability to remotely control the camera without computer tethering - Canon MUST respond, and quickly, to Nikon on this


Things I couldn't care less about:

* APS-H sensor - Semi-Pro APS-C killed this horse
* Touchscreen - Couldn't be more of a gimmick
* WiFi - Ever transferred 16GB of RAW images over wifi?
* GPS - For the price of the radio and drain on battery, no thanks
* Higher MegaPixels - Not printing billboards

As for auto-focus, I'm on the fence.  Would I like more than 19 AF points?  Sure.  Do I need them?  Not really.  And it could be worse... could be 11 AF points.  ;-)

The bottom line, for me anyway, is that even after my upgrade to the 5D mark iii, I still plan on keeping my 7D in the mix.  And to be honest, I thought the 5D would be MORE of an upgrade over the 7D.  That's not a dig on the 5D mark iii so much as it is a compliment as to how happy I am with my 7D, and how well it still performs even after owning it for over two years.
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« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2012, 06:10:30 PM »
I have a 7d and 5d2, and both have their strengths and weaknesses.  I really like the APS-C format for sports, etc. and the full frame format for portrait/landscape work.  The 300f4 on the 7d is perfect for field sports, at a reasonable price.  To get the equivalent reach and IQ on a full-frame would be cost prohibitive for me. 

My dream 7d2 would be APS-C, better autofocus, better high iso performance, and improved IQ.  I don't need more mp.  Like pierceography,  I don't care about touchscreen, wifi, gps.  I don't really even care about video.  At $1500-$2000, it would sell like crazy.

I'm not drawn to the 5d3 (would like it but not willing to pay for it), have no need for a 6d, as the 5d2 more than meets my FF needs, but would rush to a 7d2 with the above features.
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« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2012, 06:35:15 PM »
I have just bought a 7D and have been very disappointed with the IQ from it. Much worse than my old 10mp 40D. Amazing camera but whats the point when the IQ is rubbish. So noisy where it counts 100-400ISO, very disappointed.


Do a like-for-like comparison and multiply the 10MP image by 1.8x and see which camera is best, you'll be surprised

Dude, there are so many people that don't get this it blows my mind. They just zoom to 100% in PS and start complaining, never stopping to think that 18 MP at 100% is higher magnification then 10 MP at 100%. Or worse, they zoom to 200% or 300% failing to realize that they are now testing their viewing software and not the cameras. This is the source of so much confusion and so many bad recommendations that it's not even funny.

There are people who honestly believe that diffraction and CA is worse with higher resolution cameras because they can't equalize their image sizes in PS. And there are people who will recommend a 40D over a 60D or 7D for the same reason.

Another comparison where this drives me nuts: 1D3 vs 7D. The 1D3 is a great camera, but the 7D has superior IQ across the board. Yet when the topic comes up: "Oh, my 1D3 shots are sooo smooth. Not like that noisy 7D." Yeah. Scale those shots up and see how soft and noisy they become.

Sorry, I don't mean to rant, but this hits one of my pet peeves.

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« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2012, 06:56:48 PM »

* Touchscreen - Couldn't be more of a gimmick


My Panasonic G3 has a touch screen and I have found it to be quite a fast way to access camera features.  Much better than the quick menu on my T1i.  So I would like to see a touch screen on the 7D2.

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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2012, 07:40:20 PM »
There are people who honestly believe that diffraction and CA is worse with higher resolution cameras because they can't equalize their image sizes in PS. And there are people who will recommend a 40D over a 60D or 7D for the same reason.

Another comparison where this drives me nuts: 1D3 vs 7D. The 1D3 is a great camera, but the 7D has superior IQ across the board. Yet when the topic comes up: "Oh, my 1D3 shots are sooo smooth. Not like that noisy 7D." Yeah. Scale those shots up and see how soft and noisy they become.

Sorry, I don't mean to rant, but this hits one of my pet peeves.

Couldn't agree with you more, they just need to understand that 'noise' comes from 2 things:

(1) sensor (captured) noise - gapless microlens tech is improving all the time (better quantum efficiency)

(2) read noise - basically what the camera software does after the image is captured, so algorithms/AA filter/analog-digital conversion etc. and how the processor deals with these is also improving as DIGIC4 was better than DIGIC-III and now DIGIC5+ even better, hence better noise + ISO performance

However, there is one area where Canon seems to lag the competition, and that is tonal performance or Dynamic Range (DR), but I don't have the technical expertise to understand why

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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2012, 07:40:20 PM »

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Re: 7D!
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2012, 07:52:39 PM »
I have just bought a 7D and have been very disappointed with the IQ from it. Much worse than my old 10mp 40D. Amazing camera but whats the point when the IQ is rubbish. So noisy where it counts 100-400ISO, very disappointed.


Do a like-for-like comparison and multiply the 10MP image by 1.8x and see which camera is best, you'll be surprised

Dude, there are so many people that don't get this it blows my mind. They just zoom to 100% in PS and start complaining, never stopping to think that 18 MP at 100% is higher magnification then 10 MP at 100%. Or worse, they zoom to 200% or 300% failing to realize that they are now testing their viewing software and not the cameras. This is the source of so much confusion and so many bad recommendations that it's not even funny.

There are people who honestly believe that diffraction and CA is worse with higher resolution cameras because they can't equalize their image sizes in PS. And there are people who will recommend a 40D over a 60D or 7D for the same reason.

Another comparison where this drives me nuts: 1D3 vs 7D. The 1D3 is a great camera, but the 7D has superior IQ across the board. Yet when the topic comes up: "Oh, my 1D3 shots are sooo smooth. Not like that noisy 7D." Yeah. Scale those shots up and see how soft and noisy they become.

Sorry, I don't mean to rant, but this hits one of my pet peeves.

I honestly didnt know this. Thank you for pointing it out. So basically to get a true comparison I need to photograph one subject with both cameras but with the 40D zoom to 180% to get the same magnification to accurately compare?

So really is it more accurate to view the 7D images at less than 100%?? Like 66%? Because at 100% they do look grainy at 100-400 especially. I have been more impressed by its higher ISO results than the 100-400ISO range.

I have been looking at 5DMKIII sample raws at staggering ISOs at 100% and the detail is phenomenal in comparison, 1600 (if not higher) is easily similar to 800 on the 7D. I no it is full frame and the 7D has higher pixel count but what is a true comparison? I was under the impression 100% is 100% and a viable comparison, all the quick reviews ive seen online do this like thecamerastoretv 5DMKIII and D800 although the D800 res is much higher.
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Re: 7D!
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2012, 08:03:19 PM »
Honestly, if you frame FF and APS-C the same, you get very similar results, except aps-c corners are better... So, no aps-h for me! The 7D is awesome as it is, and they need for the 7D mark II to not to damage it.
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« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2012, 08:03:19 PM »