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ishdakuteb

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Re: Bad 5D Mkii or is Nikon that much better?
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2012, 02:09:04 AM »
just found another one that i have shot the other day while learning... as previous, this shot came out from a 30d (out of camera jpeg).  one thing i guess that i need to say here:  go back and have seen that you post your shots and i would say that his images are almost white that you cannot even see the girl face (according to what you said 3 to 4 stops brighter)
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Re: Bad 5D Mkii or is Nikon that much better?
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2012, 02:09:04 AM »

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Re: Bad 5D Mkii or is Nikon that much better?
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2012, 03:03:51 AM »
It is virtually impossible to replicate photographs taken with different cameras but with the same ISO, aperture, and speed settings, and therefore making judgments based on the comparisons are ill-informed.

I have read this thread and discounted the red herrings, and here is some commonsense.

ISO, aperture, and speed settings are consistent across manufacturers. This is because there are international standards of measurement. For example, some photographers may know that the term "ASA", in referring to film rating, stood for American Standards Association. This is why an ISO range for a DSLR conforms to the standard, but the "extensions" do not. Speed, of course, is a measurable standard. So is aperture, and here is where I take exception to one comment made: "F-stops are just geometric ratios and don't reflect actual differences in light transmission." I had to read that several times because I just couldn't believe someone would say that. F-stops ARE the measurement of changes in aperture and thus DO reflect actual differences in light transmission.

Having said all that, if I take a remote shot with my 5D2 at 1/200 second, f8 at ISO 200, then take the exact same shot half an later with the same camera and the same settings, the second image WILL be different from the first. Why? Because the light has changed. Moreover, due to the 5D2's rather limited AF system, unless I dictate the focus point, the change in light may cause the AF system to focus on a different part of the image second time around.

In your example, I note you used the remote trigger. In other words you had no way of knowing what the AF was doing. I note also that you were in a studio, so I will assume the light conditions when the D3 did its thang were EXACTLY the same as when the 5D2 strutted its stuff. But even if that assumption is correct, you simply cannot compare the AF system of the D3 with the 5D2's. One is infinitely more refined than the other.

But what about the light AFTER it passed through each respective lens? Does the D3 have the same sensor as the 5D2? No. Are the pixels the same size? No. Is the noise performance the same? No. (Starting to get my drift?) Were you using the same lens, ie with the same aperture mechanism, same number of blades, all rounded? No. Were you both shooting in RAW? Because if not, the discussion ends right there.

But even if you were both shooting in RAW, what adjustments were being made in-camera by the D3? Who knows?

In summary, yes, ISO, aperture and speed are constants. But everything else isn't, rendering comparisons pointless and any conclusion that one camera is better than the other - unsound.
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Re: Bad 5D Mkii or is Nikon that much better?
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2012, 05:07:22 AM »
This problem may come from a simple settings adjustment difference between the 2 cameras.
Out of camera JPEG are always a RAW to JPEG conversion realized by the camera processor. This RAW to JPEG conversion is adjusted depending on the predefined style selected by the user. It can also be a "user defined" style.
The first settings that are adjusted by the chosen style are Brightness, Contrast, Saturation and Peaking.
With different settings on Brightness and Contrast, the results may be totally different.

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Re: Bad 5D Mkii or is Nikon that much better?
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2012, 06:21:08 AM »
OP, which metering mode was used (sorry if it was mentioned already; I couldn't find it).

If the camera was set to Evaluative metering mode, this should be expected. In light colored backgrounds, I have always had to dial up the exposure compensation to +2/3 in my T3i. From what I read on forums, this is a common issue with all Canons.

My friend's Nikon D7000 though handles this stuff quite well. This is similar to the lot of "blown out sky" threads. Metering in high contrast situations seems relatively weaker in Canon, compared to Nikon.

If you try the same shot with a spot metering or Evaluative +  +1EV I guess you would have had better results.

one more thing..... you stopped shutter speed at 125 and kept changing the aperture..... from what I have seen in your pic, there is a lack of ambient exposure and not the flash exposure. I would rather reduce shutter speed; if the model is moving fast, would rather increase the ISO than open up the aperture and have more skin hotspots......just my 2 cents....

Its an interesting topic you opened....pls keep experimenting more and post your results....

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Re: Bad 5D Mkii or is Nikon that much better?
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2012, 07:58:22 AM »
honesty, you are cracking me off when you are saying 3 stops darker (that means whatever slightly brighter than mid gray will become close to black).  imo, one of the following could be the cases:

1. you have bought a lemon used camera, or

Bought Brand new.

2. you do not how to use it properly, or
Possible, but when you see below I think you'll understand.

3. you have a bad instructor (go look for another one, hopefully your instructor is not cliff mautner.  as if he is, then he is trying to tell you to buy nikon.  but i do not believe that he is going to do that... and keep in mind that jerry ghionis has used canon 5d classic for years.), or
Nope

4. when he took a picture, he turned light on.  when you took picture, he turned light off
Nope

5. tbd by people in this forum
Not sure what that means.



Attached is a comparison between my old 5dmki and newish 5dmkii using the same settings.

Based on this test alone the 5dmkii is duff and is going back for a warranty repair today.
Thanks for your help, but I wish I'd only thought of this earlier. Would have saved you guys some grief.

Regards
David

BTW both ISO's are on 100
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Re: Bad 5D Mkii or is Nikon that much better?
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2012, 07:58:22 AM »