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thejoyofsobe

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Re: 5D Mark III & More
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2011, 11:17:33 AM »

I can see that Canon is paranoid that raising the bar with the 5D MkIII too high may poach sales of the 1D series, but the questions they should be asking themselves are where are Nikon going with the D800 and what will Sony next move with full frame be?

Why should Canon be paranoid ? Make no sense ! Nikon provides the same focus and metering on all their pro cameras (D300S, D700, D3S and D3X) and seem to have no "poaching" problem. Crippled is a word seldom seen on Nikon forums.
moreover if we are to believe the latest rumors the 1D series is merging and there will be no more APS-H sensors.

For professionals Canon would have:
1D mk5 - weather-sealed, excellent fps, full-frame, 45 pts AF
5D mk3 - not weather-sealed, decent fps, full-frame, 19 pts AF
7D - not weather-sealed, excellent fps, APS-C, 19 pts AF


Currently Canon is selling 5 cameras in that range (4 active models) so the distinctions were a little fuzzier for consumers who wanted a bigger sensor than an APS-C. Retrenching that back down to three professional grade cameras should help them focus their efforts more on making better cameras and meeting the needs of those distinct markets.

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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2011, 11:17:33 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2011, 11:40:05 AM »

I can see that Canon is paranoid that raising the bar with the 5D MkIII too high may poach sales of the 1D series, but the questions they should be asking themselves are where are Nikon going with the D800 and what will Sony next move with full frame be?

Why should Canon be paranoid ? Make no sense ! Nikon provides the same focus and metering on all their pro cameras (D300S, D700, D3S and D3X) and seem to have no "poaching" problem. Crippled is a word seldom seen on Nikon forums.
moreover if we are to believe the latest rumors the 1D series is merging and there will be no more APS-H sensors.

For professionals Canon would have:
1D mk5 - weather-sealed, excellent fps, full-frame, 45 pts AF
5D mk3 - not weather-sealed, decent fps, full-frame, 19 pts AF
7D - not weather-sealed, excellent fps, APS-C, 19 pts AF


Currently Canon is selling 5 cameras in that range (4 active models) so the distinctions were a little fuzzier for consumers who wanted a bigger sensor than an APS-C. Retrenching that back down to three professional grade cameras should help them focus their efforts more on making better cameras and meeting the needs of those distinct markets.


A 1DS with 10fps, why not. I can dream to use it and I will by it for different use that my 1DmkIV.

Which is the difficulty for Canon to place an APS-H captor in the 1Ds body? None.
The Canon APS-H CMOS  120 M pixels (13280 x 9184) looks like the future of the 1D line.
The main part of the job is already done.

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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2011, 11:40:30 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2011, 12:26:47 PM »
7D - not weather-sealed, excellent fps, APS-C, 19 pts AF

Canon disagrees.

Quote from: Canon USA website, 7D overview
The EOS 7D features a magnesium alloy body that is dust- and weather-resistant and shutter durability of up to 150,000 cycles.
resistant <> sealed

http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Vq2m
"The 7D is not a weather sealed camera. It should not under any
circumstance get wet. It may survive some rain, however, there are no
guarantees. If you need a camera with weather seals you should look
into our EOS 1 series cameras."
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Re: 5D Mark III & More
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2011, 12:36:18 PM »
7D - not weather-sealed, excellent fps, APS-C, 19 pts AF

Canon disagrees.

Quote from: Canon USA website, 7D overview
The EOS 7D features a magnesium alloy body that is dust- and weather-resistant and shutter durability of up to 150,000 cycles.
resistant <> sealed

http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Vq2m
"The 7D is not a weather sealed camera. It should not under any
circumstance get wet. It may survive some rain, however, there are no
guarantees. If you need a camera with weather seals you should look
into our EOS 1 series cameras."

http://canonfieldreviews.com/7d-1-weather-sealing/

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Re: 5D Mark III & More
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2011, 01:12:03 PM »
7D - not weather-sealed, excellent fps, APS-C, 19 pts AF

Canon disagrees.

Quote from: Canon USA website, 7D overview
The EOS 7D features a magnesium alloy body that is dust- and weather-resistant and shutter durability of up to 150,000 cycles.
resistant <> sealed

http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Vq2m
"The 7D is not a weather sealed camera. It should not under any
circumstance get wet. It may survive some rain, however, there are no
guarantees. If you need a camera with weather seals you should look
into our EOS 1 series cameras."

http://canonfieldreviews.com/7d-1-weather-sealing/

In one of those pics, a seal is about to bite a tripod! Awesome shot. And great review. Anyone saying the 7D isn't weather sealed after reading this is out of their minds!

Edit: After reading the comments, however, I might be out of MY mind! Some mixed results, it seems.
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Re: 5D Mark III & More
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2011, 01:19:08 PM »
7D - not weather-sealed, excellent fps, APS-C, 19 pts AF

Canon disagrees.

Quote from: Canon USA website, 7D overview
The EOS 7D features a magnesium alloy body that is dust- and weather-resistant and shutter durability of up to 150,000 cycles.
resistant <> sealed

http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Vq2m
"The 7D is not a weather sealed camera. It should not under any
circumstance get wet. It may survive some rain, however, there are no
guarantees. If you need a camera with weather seals you should look
into our EOS 1 series cameras."

From the same link you posted, also stated in Canon's response: "The EOS 1 series cameras and certain L series lenses do offer weather seals. These seals do not make the equipment water resistant or water proof. "

If you look Features sections for bodies on Canon's website, they use the same language for the sealing on the 1D IV and the 7D: "...exclusive dust and weather resistance."  Certainly, the sealing on the 1-series is better.  But, if Canon supposedly stated (in a response from someone in their email support department) that the 7D does not have weather sealing, why does Canon publish a graphic showing the sealing of the 7D?



The 7D is not a 1-series body, no one is claiming that (at least, I'm not).  But to state that 7D is not weather-sealed is misleading, IMO.
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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2011, 02:45:45 PM »
i've seen the Antarctic post before but I've also read other anecdotes of people killing their 7D body in non-torrential rainfall (and it wasn't because of an unsealed lens but lack of gaskets) only to have Canon service say tough luck the camera is not weather sealed. the 7D's resistance to weather is better than the XXD series but it's not the kind of camera which can dependably handle a certain level of abuse like the 1D series. that's fine because the majority of people don't need that level of ruggedness, hence why i used weather-sealing as a way to distinguish the bodies above.
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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2011, 03:38:22 PM »
I've also read other anecdotes of people killing their 7D body in non-torrential rainfall ... only to have Canon service say tough luck the camera is not weather sealed.

I wonder what Canon service would say if water got into a 1-series body?
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« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2011, 05:31:16 PM »
Hmm - nikon rumors recently posted that the D800 release has been delayed till October due to Japan disaster. Seems like the two cameras will likely come out around the same time so neither will be able to argue that the other manufacture has 'had more time' or the technology is 'newer' and they are both going to be direct competitors. Seems like the true 'battle of the cameras' is yet to come.

Who has the true 'industry leading' noise handling (or reduction).

Time will tell...

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« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2011, 05:51:25 PM »
I wonder what Canon service would say if water got into a 1-series body?

"Submerging the camera is not covered by warranty." ;)

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« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2011, 08:17:40 AM »
As much as I hate to admit it, I think the 2 May Northlight Images rumor is correct. The "1Ds3 replacement" (perhaps better called the "new professional FF body") won't appear until August and the 5D3 won't appear until next year. Tsunami damage to the supply chain was just too great and everything has been shoved back 6 months. Anything before that is just a pleasant surprise

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« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2011, 10:07:59 AM »
For professionals Canon would have:
1D mk5 - weather-sealed, excellent fps, full-frame, 45 pts AF
5D mk3 - not weather-sealed, decent fps, full-frame, 19 pts AF
7D - not weather-sealed, excellent fps, APS-C, 19 pts AF

I will quite disagree with that statement as well. Canon is recorded as leader in DSLR sells mainly (IMHO) for the their successful move on cutting on more levels their DSLRs. It was the 5D,  7D and 1000D creation that made them so ahead of the competitors. Everyone around me has one of these or any of the hundreds.

They removed weather sealed body from 60D for unkown to me reason. Since in that way 7D and 60D are very close in features (without the sealing, of course).

I have to agree that from what I have heard from one of the major distributors in my country. Canon is set quite back (along with NIKON, of course) due to supply issues caused by the earthquake.

They can NOT put an official statement, since all other manufactures will push their respecitive DSLRs ahead and will make great financial losses to both Japan companies.

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« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2011, 01:46:25 PM »
is it just me or is canon really disappointing for the time it takes them to update and release newer products. Every time i look at mac rumours, it seems as though theres a lot going on with product updates and new developments with the company etc. and help ways to do new things.
This website all i hear is maybe this date its coming out maybe that date, in 3 months ive been watching this site. Nothing has come out. I know there was the Tsunami in Japan, but Japans not the only place they make canon products, its a large international company it should be releasing more products more frequently than it does. 3 years since the last 5d mark iii. If computers can update yearly why can't cameras?

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« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2011, 01:52:12 PM »
its a large international company it should be releasing more products more frequently than it does. 3 years since the last 5d mark iii. If computers can update yearly why can't cameras?

There are new printers announced frequently.  New copiers.  New scanners.  There's a new Rebel/xxxD camera every year.  Every year there are a whole bunch of new PowerShot cameras, often announced twice per year.  Higher-end dSLR models have a longer development time. 
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