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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2012, 10:42:40 PM »
If this camera ends up being a more expensive body, it's almost like the Nikon and Canon DSLR ranges have been reversed at the high end. D3X becomes the new Canon high MP body and Nikon makes theirs the D800 at a more affordable price.

That aside, I'd love to see what this new body is like, if it's a corker I may get it instead of a 5DIII and keep using my D700 for street and general shooting. The 46MP would be more than a D800 so noise and file size would be a concern of course but for scapes, low light long exposures & architecture it would be very nice to see the advantages.

I'm not quite sure these new 36mm sensors with huge a MP count are really in medium format territory, while they do give a hell of a lot more detail, it's still as many MP packed onto a smaller sensor than MF.

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« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2012, 11:07:18 PM »
Yeah, you're probably right, it could be a 4D, but the low ISO range of 100 to 12,800 and not 50 to 51,200 or 101,400 threw me. Is this going to be a $4,999 EOS 4D designed for Studio or outdoor Landscape photography where low-light is not an issue?

well i take pictures with a dslr for 7 years now.
95% of my pictures are taken with ISO under 6400.
i really don´t know what people need ISO 25600 and above.

and i wonder how these people have worked before.....

It all depends on what you are shooting.  Not everyone shoots in daylight.  Try some low light photography.  Its difficult and will let you expand your skills.
 
The photos below were taken in extremely low light.  I really would have needed a battery of flash units otherwise, and they were banned.
 
ISO 6400
 

 
ISO 12800
 

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« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2012, 11:12:13 PM »
Well this is pretty much what I've been predicting all along.

I'm still calling it a 5D HD and believe it will be essentially the same body with a different sensor plopped in. I am surprised at the frame rate, I thought it would be lower. I wonder if they will give over some processing power to the frame rate by putting a more modest autofocus in this one. Not sure the people using this camera will need the 5DIII or 1DX autofocus. I've said it will be the same price as the 5DIII. Possibly it will come in slightly higher, but I don't see this as a 1-series body.

Nope because the digic doesn't do AF at all. So no competition there. It could have the same full 5D3 AF (I'd say it better).



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« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2012, 11:13:44 PM »
What gets me is people thinking this may be cheaper than the 1Dx.  If you compared the price of the 1Ds Mark III and 1D Mark IV.. I guess ideas would be more persuaded and logical.
Also, I presume it would be in a 1D type body, if not a 5D body. I don't think it would be the successor of the 7D, because it's completely pointless changing a sports style APS-C into a FF/APS-H (APS-H would be silly for this too) landscape/studio camera.
I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up be something like a 1Ds Mark IV (would be funny in some way too, I suppose).
Anyway, I guess the best we can do is wait and see the outcome.
5 fps for a 46.1mp camera seems quite nice too.  But it's going to cost a hell of a lot. I wouldn't be surprised seeing it around the $7,000 mark.

5D3 is kinda a 1DXs and it costs less than the 1Ds3 or 1DX

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« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2012, 11:18:37 PM »
Has to be FF sensor with pixel size of about 4.3 microns so very close to current 7D. Perhaps a FF 7D2 after all?

NO, there will never ever be a FF 7D2... 7D is and always will be an APS-C series...stop the madness.

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« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2012, 11:22:40 PM »
Should I sell my 1dx??

Very confused: 18mpx for $7000.00
46mpx for HOW MUCH?

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Confused how?  Why did you buy a 1Dx in the first place?  It is neither a studio camera nor landscape camera so why would you consider selling it for a high MP body aimed at studio/landscape?

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« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2012, 11:31:59 PM »
Yeah, you're probably right, it could be a 4D, but the low ISO range of 100 to 12,800 and not 50 to 51,200 or 101,400 threw me. Is this going to be a $4,999 EOS 4D designed for Studio or outdoor Landscape photography where low-light is not an issue?

well i take pictures with a dslr for 7 years now.
95% of my pictures are taken with ISO under 6400.

i really don´t know what people need ISO 25600 and above.

and i wonder how these people have worked before.....

I agree about the super high end but it's not a question of "how have they worked before?"...it's a point of all the NEW and BETTER work you can do you COULDN'T shoot before in low light, handheld, both with slower lenses etc.  The first hour I shot with the 5D3, for example, I realized it was worth twice the price given the ISO performance increase over my 5D2, enabled me to shoot handheld with slower lenses vs. heavy fast primes, for example.  I found shooting ISO 6400 on the 5D3 was as clean if not cleaner than ISO 1200 on the 5D2.

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« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2012, 11:34:25 PM »
Should I sell my 1dx??

Very confused: 18mpx for $7000.00
46mpx for HOW MUCH?

Paul

Oh Lord.  The 1DX isn't for megapixels.  Have you used one for sports?  If you bought it for landscape and portrait at low ISO, you wasted your money big time.

I think he's this guy on the left... no clue...  Canon 5D vs 1D

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« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2012, 11:58:20 PM »
Hi,
46.1mp Full Frame
5 FPS
ISO 100-12800
16bit
   16-bits?? Landscape shooter should be happy, but I can't imagine the file size... file size of 46.1MP at 16-bits should be around 92.2MB per RAW file. Surprise that still can maintain 5fps... must use the 1000x write speed card.

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« Reply #54 on: September 23, 2012, 12:22:28 AM »
Hi,
46.1mp Full Frame
5 FPS
ISO 100-12800
16bit
   16-bits?? Landscape shooter should be happy, but I can't imagine the file size... file size of 46.1MP at 16-bits should be around 92.2MB per RAW file. Surprise that still can maintain 5fps... must use the 1000x write speed card.

   Have a nice day.

I expect the files to be around 65MB in size.

The current raw format already allows for 16bits per channel, even though only 14 are used.

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« Reply #55 on: September 23, 2012, 01:06:47 AM »
Should I sell my 1dx??

Very confused: 18mpx for $7000.00
46mpx for HOW MUCH?

Paul

Confused how?  Why did you buy a 1Dx in the first place?  It is neither a studio camera nor landscape camera so why would you consider selling it for a high MP body aimed at studio/landscape?
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« Reply #56 on: September 23, 2012, 01:19:12 AM »
Watch out for Nikon crew, they're on a roll and they're not done yet.

D5100's 16MP * 1.5 * 1.5 = 36MP D800, and they have very similar base ISO performance

D3200's 24MP * 1.5 * 1.5 = 54MP D4x?, and would have very similar base ISO performance + all the extra goodness a high end body would add... and that's still over 1 EV better base ISO DR than Canon's current best-tested tho were waiting/hoping the 1Dx and 6D will fare better than the 5d3.

But if they're considering a FF version of the sensor tech used in current 18MP APS-C bodies...  Well... no thanks.
Go back to the drawing board, or better yet, the patent office and search for some better tech to license.

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« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2012, 01:45:09 AM »
Hi,
Watch out for Nikon crew, they're on a roll and they're not done yet.

D5100's 16MP * 1.5 * 1.5 = 36MP D800, and they have very similar base ISO performance

D3200's 24MP * 1.5 * 1.5 = 54MP D4x?, and would have very similar base ISO performance + all the extra goodness a high end body would add... and that's still over 1 EV better base ISO DR than Canon's current best-tested tho were waiting/hoping the 1Dx and 6D will fare better than the 5d3.

But if they're considering a FF version of the sensor tech used in current 18MP APS-C bodies...  Well... no thanks.
Go back to the drawing board, or better yet, the patent office and search for some better tech to license.
     May be Canon should just use the 120MP APS-H sensor (which are capable of delivering 9.5fps, but I doubt any current CF card can support it) they developed 2 years ago in their camera... ha ha ha  ;D

   Have a nice day.
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« Reply #58 on: September 23, 2012, 01:49:36 AM »
Hi ya people :)

Look, let's get down to the nitty gritty. I work for a camera retailer and I can guarantee you that since April the D800 has outsold the 5D Mk3 by a 5 to 1 ratio. This explains recent price drops on the body and the deal struck with the Adorama ebay site.

Sure, the camera has sold okay, but not in huge quantities like the previous Mk2. I'm pretty sure that Canon has lots of stock sitting in warehouses, just as sure as they would deny this. Sales have just picked up a little recently because of the 5D Mk3 Professional Kit with the 24-70 MkII.

Look, Canon gave us what we asked for and then we snubbed them; decided we wanted everything that we said we didn't need.

The 46mp sensor has been rumoured to have been around for at least two years. Canon obviously held back believing people would definitely be happy with a 22mp, better iso camera. We proved Canon wrong. Look, I believe even a few more megapixels, 28mp, would have kept people happy.

Canon needs to bring out the 46mp ASAP. Nikon is 'killing' them at the moment. It can't be a 1 D body. If they want lots of sales they need a 5D body, 5D X, or whatever they want to call it. It needs to be reasonably priced, just above the D800, $500 or so above it. This will bring in the crowds.

Or, they could completely stuff it up. Make it a 1 D type body that is super expensive and that 4,000 or 5,000 might buy worldwide. WAKE UP CANON !!! :)

Before I am torn to shreds, I'll  let the wonderful readers of this forum know that I still have my 5D Mk2 and recently bought a 5D Mk3 which I am very happy with.

I, however, like all of you, would like Canon to continue doing well into the future, and the reality is that they have dropped the ball in recent years. The 5D Mk2 was a game changer; come on Canon bring out the 46mp out that blows both Nikon and Sony out of the water.

Look this is my two cents worth, my reality check for Canon. Take it as you will.

Signing Out...

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Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2012, 02:59:35 AM »
Can anyone explain to me what 16 bit means?  Other than that, the specs look good

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